Even if the Clintons had their assets frozen, I'm sure one of their many friends or slaves would have to still give them free stuff like rides places, food, etc.
The Clinton's sudden public cheerfulness and "togetherness" makes me believe 110% that they have something else going down. And I'll be damned if it doesn't have to to with their neighbor George Soros who has interfered in American Elections more than any other foreigner in history. Maybe they have a failsafe this time?
And yes, GS has a home not ten minutes from the Clintons in upstate NY.
although its gonna be hard for any allegations of that kind to stick against Trump now that we know Gloria Allred had a $500 000 slush fund for women to exaggerate their claims of grievance against him
The author of the novel is Candice Fox. Here she is with Clinton himself and another author James Patterson (posted the pic to her Facebook page a week ago)
https://imgur.com/a/fGBQ5xR
Hades, Candice Fox’s first novel, won the Ned Kelly Award for best debut in 2014 from the Australian Crime Writers Association. The sequel, Eden, won the Ned Kelly Award for best crime novel in 2015, making Candice only the second author to win these accolades back-to-back. Her third novel, Fall, was shortlisted for the 2016 Ned Kelly and Davitt awards. She is also the author of the bestselling Crimson Lake, which introduces a new series character, Ted Conkaffey.
In 2015 Candice began collaborating with James Patterson.
Their first novel together, Never Never, set in the vast Australian outback, was a huge bestseller in Australia and went straight to number 1 on the New York Times bestseller list in the US and also to the top of the charts in the UK. The sequel, Fifty Fifty, will be released in August 2017. They have also co-written a prequel novella, Black & Blue, as part of the James Patterson BookShots series.
Candice is the middle child of a large, eccentric family from Sydney’s western suburbs composed of half-, adopted and pseudo siblings.
The daughter of a parole officer and an enthusiastic foster-carer, Candice spent her childhood listening around corners to tales of violence, madness and evil as her father relayed his work stories to her mother and older brothers.
Former President Bill Clinton and bestselling author James Patterson made a stop at SAP Center in San Jose on Thursday night to discuss their novel "The President is Missing."
Clinton and Patterson said the novel shows the importance of building cyber-security infrastructure and added that their fictional protagonist president and the surrounding plot can teach a thing or two to Americans.
James Brendan Patterson (born March 22, 1947) is an American author and philanthropist. Among his works are the Alex Cross, Michael Bennett, Women's Murder Club, Maximum Ride, Daniel X, NYPD Red, Witch and Wizard, and Private series, as well as many stand-alone thrillers, non-fiction and romance novels. His books have sold more than 300 million copies[1] and he was the first person to sell 1 million e-books.[2] In 2016, Patterson topped Forbes's list of highest-paid authors for the third consecutive year, with an income of $95 million.
Patterson has been criticized for co-authoring many of his books[28] and for being more of a brand that focuses on making money than an artist who focuses on his craft.
Child of Darkness, Child of Light is a 1991 American television horror film directed by Marina Sargenti, and starring Tony Denison, Brad Davis, and Claudette Nevins. It is based on the novel Virgin by James Patterson. The film follows a Catholic priest who goes to investigate two reported cases of immaculate conception; one of God, and the other of the devil. The film was shot in Portland, Oregon,[1] and premiered on May 1, 1991.
Hey
@MolochHunter
, you might want to add this link to the body of your post (after your first sentence), as proof that the photo is real and the Clintons really travelled on a commercial flight:
Perhaps this is why he likes reading this book (aside from the possible description of the rape of a 13 yr old girl) . From the comments of Carolyn:
Ted Conkaffey, accused of the abduction and rape of a young girl, but not convicted due to lack of evidence, has run away to Crimson Lake, near Cairns to lick his wounds and try to start a new life. Neither his workmates, fellow detectives in the Drug squad, nor his wife believe he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now labelled a pedophile after serving eight months in remand, he has lost his job, access to his baby daughter and lives in fear of the case being re-opened.
The most important part of it is " not convicted due to lack of evidence" and then "lives in fear of the case being re-opened". Kind of defines his whole life.
They are playing us again. Gramma and Grampa flying like anyone else. Reading. The Double Whammy Trick is on us. He is reading that book and I think it is a Huge Message to us. He has gotten off many times and he is sending a message that he will be vindicated through lack of evidence, just like the book's character. The Clintons are Masters of Deceit. There are always messages, just like in the movies, now it is in a book.
They are such Narcissists. Always sending messages well, because they think we are all hanging on their every word. Hmm. Maybe they are right. At least about that.
The child is very obviously terrified, the background strobes match a Majestic Ape show from CPP online, the guy sure sounds like Skippy, if I'm not mistaken, the child calls him John and Skippy.
Didn't someone do voiceprint comparisons? It was a terrifying video.
Comet has an upstairs with no visible stairwell, if I recall. However, there was that odd photo in a magazine article about Jimmy Comet where he is standing up in the air on a decorative wall feature in the restaurant. There are many of these metal protrusions which go higher and higher towards the ceiling, almost like floating steps.
Also, check out this old video where pizzagate sleuths went to Comet on the day after the Welch affair. There is an interesting poster inside Besta starting at :31 It reads "If you want to live upstairs, go for it". Also, it appears that Besta has a basement....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pewv6uSUH14
Hasn't Besta recently closed down?
"Crimson Lake" by Candice Fox is set in a croc infested town in northern Australia. It follows the life of accused peodophile and child snatcher Ted Conkaffey and his new partner, convicted murderer Amanda Pharell as they privately investigate the disappearance of famous author Jake Scully, but, everything is not as black and white as it seems. [...]
"kinda sucks when your assetts are frozen by an exec order against human trafficking eh?" It was a declaration of National Emergency, and the intent was to continue the suspension of the constitution. We have been under martial law since the government was dissolved March 9th, 1933 via the emergency banking act. All that is required to maintain this scam is for the acting POTUS to annually to declare National Emergency, thus suspending the constitution. That is why they are never bound by it. All the while the International Bankers collect your taxes, pay the politicians that work for USA INC. and pay the refunds to the tax payers. Everything else they pocket. That is who the FBI and CIA work for. And you guys think a cover-up is an investigation. Yeah, the Clinton's are in real trouble right?
This entire Clinton's on a commercial airliner seems like a stunt. To my knowledge, ex POTUS receive security the rest of their lives. Did security also fly commercial in the seats around them? I think we should question this whole thing. It may be an attempt to show how poorly they are doing, Trump is bringing everybody low, they are shaking in their boots and justice is around the corner. That is not a possibility without global revolution. They don't arrest themselves, they protect those that serve their agendas. And all politicians are paid by the bankers, not US citizens. We are taxed by the International banking cartel, Vatican, British Crown.
"See, we ARE normo's just like you, and did you notice Bill shook his security detail, just like those many times on the Lolita Express? Totally normal thing to do"
what the fuck were they doing on that plane anyway and could they have looked anymore awkward with each other and with the other passengers they are not normal people
kinda sucks when your assetts are frozen by an exec order against human trafficking eh?
Hi
@MolochHunter
, as far as I remember, this is mere speculation at this point. I'd like to ask you to please add a link that either
proves
assets of the Clintons have been frozen by an executive order (IIRC, Trump's EO only applies for assets of foreign citizens, and the Clintons are not named in the annex) or to change your wording, indicating that
you
are speculating that their assets might have been frozen, maybe in the form of a question.
Thank you. I'll give you the 24 hours Grace flair, so that you'll have some time to edit.
The executive order is not the place to start to understand what the US government is doing with human rights violators. To understand this, you first need to start with the Global Magnitsky Act.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/13/us-global-magnitsky-act
There was a Magnitsky law passed in 2012 and one passed in 2016. This just hit the news again because Putin and Trump discussed it at their private meeting.
Sergei Magnitsky was a Russian accountant who, in 2009, was tortured, denied medical attention, and found dead in his Moscow jail cell. Russian authorities had targeted him for his role in exposing a giant tax fraud scheme allegedly involving high-level government officials.
In 2012, the US Congress passed a law in his name that imposed sanctions on a list of Russian officials believed to be responsible for serious human rights violations, freezing any US assets they hold and banning them from entry into the United States.
In an important step for global accountability, Congress built on the original Russia-focused Magnitsky law in 2016 and enacted the Global Magnitsky Act, which allows the executive branch to impose visa bans and targeted sanctions on individuals anywhere in the world responsible for committing human rights violations or acts of significant corruption. The act received widespread bipartisan support. Senator Ben Cardin, a Maryland Democrat, introduced a version of the bill, and five Republican senators and five Democratic senators signed on as co-sponsors. President Barack Obama signed the law on December 23, 2016.
What does the Global Magnitsky Act do?
The Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act authorizes the president to block or revoke the visas of certain “foreign persons” (both individuals and entities) or to impose property sanctions on them. People can be sanctioned (a) if they are responsible for or acted as an agent for someone responsible for “extrajudicial killings, torture, or other gross violations of internationally recognized human rights,” or (b) if they are government officials or senior associates of government officials complicit in “acts of significant corruption.”
The Global Magnitsky Act is not used against Americans because US persons would be subject to US law, i.e. if they were here we could just use existing laws indict them and have a trial. This is about human rights violators who are beyond the reach of US Law. We are saying we can cut you off from the US banking system which in effect cuts you off from the global banking system because other banks won't deal with you and risk violating American sanctions.
The executive order that happened under Trump is the enforcement of this law. This comes at the tail end of the process which is Congress recommends a list of people to be sanctioned and these people are then check by the Treasury Dept and the State Department. The vetted list is then presented to the President to execute the law. This executive was misread by Trump watchers because they assumed Trump was the start of this process and they misread the part about declaring a national emergency. It's basically a limited national emergency, but it's required in order to seize someone's assts. Congress does not have the rights to freeze someone's assets like this but the President does. This law does not give the President new powers in seizing someone's assets and sanctioning them, it just gives a new reason this might happen. Drug Dealers and Terrorists have long been on the Treasuries sanctions list.
You will notice that the first words of the Executive reference the existing laws that give the President these powers.
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America,
including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) (NEA), the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act (Public Law 114-328) (the “Act”), section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (8 U.S.C. 1182(f)) (INA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,
In short this law was passed by Congress and the execution of the law required an executive order and this would have happened no matter who was president. And as you discovered, this doesn't apply to US people.
Your legal reckoning is superior. UpVOAT for you! The legal system has become convoluted by design.
It is interesting that Trump is using a law created under THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. "They never thought she would lose" LOL!
"In 2012, the US Congress passed a law in his name that imposed sanctions on a list of Russian officials believed to be responsible for serious human rights violations, freezing any US assets they hold and banning them from entry into the United States."
I think you might have missed my point. Both Magnitsky laws were passed under Obama. Both will never apply to American citizens like Hilary Clinton. It's not that Trump is using this law....Trump is executing a law passed by Congress and the way the law is written is Trump cannot just sanction whoever he wants. There are like 4 different Congressional Committees who can submit a list of names. These are reviewed by the State Department and Treasury department and the final list goes to the President to execute. Anybody who was president, Trump, Bernie, Clinton, Rubio or whomever, would get the same list. In August of last year, the Senate submitted a list of 20 names. and 13 of them ended up getting sanctioned along with folks/entities connected to them
https://www.cardin.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/cardin-mccain-prod-trump-administration-to-use-global-magnitsky-tools-to-punish-human-rights-violators-and-corrupt-officials-from-around-the-world
Who can recommend individuals for the president to sanction?
The act allows the assistant secretary of state for democracy, human rights, and labor, in consultation with other State Department officials, to submit recommendations for people to be sanctioned to the secretary of state. The Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs and the Committee on Foreign Relations in the Senate and the Committee on Financial Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs in the House can also submit names to the president. In determining whether to impose sanctions, the president can also review credible information obtained by other countries or nongovernmental organizations that monitor human rights violations. In practice, the decision about whether to carry out the sanctions will most likely be made jointly by the State Department and Treasury Department.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/13/us-global-magnitsky-act
As an aside Both Obama and Trump were criticized for not being as enthusiastic about this law as Congress was. Seems like both came around on it...or maybe just the reality of it, that they couldn't veto it.
The Global Magnitsky Act is not used against Americans because US persons would be subject to US law, i.e. if they were here we could just use existing laws indict them and have a trial. This is about human rights violators who are beyond the reach of US Law.
The executive order that happened under Trump is the enforcement of this law.
It provides the context necessary for a deepened understanding why the Clintons' assets (or assets of any other of our cabal PG suspects) definitely
cannot
have been frozen by Trump's EO.
If you are gonna try to ping up a shit fest, by pinging up the tribe, I rest my case. Its too hot to go fishing, so maybe I will buy a drone or a metal detector. Had high hopes for you.
You are a pathetic Media Matters whore
@ESOTERICshade
... No one takes you seriously!
Show me one ounce of proof that the Clinton's assets are frozen. Go ahead. You are a Zionist disinfo person and you NEVER deal in real information, but only insults, just like a true zionist. It is very unfotunate that you were allowed to penetrate this forum with a mod position.
And you down vote those that you debate, the mark of a true little bitch.
Spend some time in therapy instead of spewing your vileness here! It's not healthy for you!
Every day that I expose Zionism for the detrimental rag that it is is a good day for me. Very cathartic and relaxing.
I thought you said you were outta here esoteric????
Weighing my options. Its too hot to fish. Looking for old shit around river banks with a metal detector sounds interesting. I won't get rich but it might be interesting. :)
My reading of the EO in question seems to apply to everyone, foreign and domestic alike. Specifically Section 1. (a) appears to imply this:
Section 1. (a) All property and interests in property that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of
any United States person
of the following persons are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in:
(i) the persons listed in the Annex to this order;
(ii) any foreign person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Attorney General:
(A) to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have directly or indirectly engaged in, serious human rights abuse;
(B) to be a current or former government official, or a person acting for or on behalf of such an official, who is responsible for or complicit in, or has directly or indirectly engaged in:
(1) corruption, including the misappropriation of state assets, the expropriation of private assets for personal gain, corruption related to government contracts or the extraction of natural resources, or bribery; or
(2) the transfer or the facilitation of the transfer of the proceeds of corruption;
I respectfully disagree. You're citing Section 1. (a), correct? When it says "of the following persons," I think it's pretty clear that "the following persons" applies to anyone further described in Section 1. (a), which would include not just those listed in the Annex, but those "determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Attorney General" to fit the descriptions present in lines A, B and C, as well as D, which I didn't post, along with persons defined in subsection (iii), which I also didn't post. If you feel citing line D and subsection (iii) is appropriate, I'll gladly add them to my original post, to better inform our fellow investigators and concerned citizens.
If you feel citing line D and subsection (iii) is appropriate, I'll gladly add them to my original post, to better inform our fellow investigators and concerned citizens.
Yes, please do! I think it's quite interesting to look into this.
which would include not just those listed in the Annex, but those "determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Attorney General"
I think this is the point where our reading of the EO differs. I think the Secretaries can only determine further persons who are
of foreign nationality
. But I will gladly read the rest of the EO to see whether I've been wrong.
Thank you for promptly responding twice so far, and for keeping the discussion here both civil and factual.
I updated my statement to better and further cite the EO and specifically address applications to US persons, as defined by the EO, along with current or former government officials. As cited in my now updated comment, it could be applied not only to the Clintons, but also Obama and even John Podesta, as they're all former government officials.
As cited in my now updated comment, it could be applied not only to the Clintons, but also Obama and even John Podesta, as they're all former government officials.
No, unfortunately this is not possible, since the provisions in A-C only refer to the persons defined in (i) and (ii), and these are (see my comment above) only
any United States person of the following persons
[my reading: only persons listed in the Annex]
or any foreign person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Attorney General
My TL;DR: The EO only applies to
the United States citizens actually listed in the EO
and foreign citizens, who also might be determined later by the SOSs. US citizens
cannot
be determined by the Secretaries at a later date.
Since the Clintons are not listed in the EO Annex, and cannot be determined eligable at a later date, they are not targeted by the EO.
I have a hard time understanding why the Clintons would be on ANY domestic flight, in full view of the public. Their combined net worth of $110 Million is more than enough to cover costs of hiring private charters or having a Net Jets membership.
I hope the plane they are on crashes and they are quite literally shitting themselves with fear, praying to lucifer, but he will not be there to save them, then I hope as it nose dives into the ocean it bursts into flames but they don’t die immediately, no no no, they are then eaten alive by great white sharks whilst ALSO being on fire and er ...yeah. A girl can dream
▼ EffYouJohnPodesta
Even if the Clintons had their assets frozen, I'm sure one of their many friends or slaves would have to still give them free stuff like rides places, food, etc.
▼ Blacksmith21
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2624670
▼ MolochHunter
well ahead of my curve, duder
▼ Blacksmith21
Sometimes better to be lucky than good.
▼ Eggs-Vs-Bacon
The Clinton's sudden public cheerfulness and "togetherness" makes me believe 110% that they have something else going down. And I'll be damned if it doesn't have to to with their neighbor George Soros who has interfered in American Elections more than any other foreigner in history. Maybe they have a failsafe this time?
And yes, GS has a home not ten minutes from the Clintons in upstate NY.
▼ crashing_this_thread
Trump is humiliating them. They are being forced to interact with a public that hates them. Sooner or later they won't be safe.
▼ volvo96
Maybe Bill Clinton is holding the book as a warning that they know about Trump and a 13 year old girl?
"Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl"
https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/
▼ MolochHunter
although its gonna be hard for any allegations of that kind to stick against Trump now that we know Gloria Allred had a $500 000 slush fund for women to exaggerate their claims of grievance against him
▼ telleveryoneyouknow
Lol. Riiiiiiight. Maybe... just maybe ...
▼ letsdothis2
The author of the novel is Candice Fox. Here she is with Clinton himself and another author James Patterson (posted the pic to her Facebook page a week ago) https://imgur.com/a/fGBQ5xR
She met with Clinton and author James Patterson in San Jose June 29th https://imgur.com/a/vsCEqsV
https://candicefox.org/about/
Clinton and Patterson in San Jose https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Former-President-Bill-Clinton-Novelist-James-Patterson-Make-Book-Tour-Stop-in-San-Jose--486912141.html
James Patterson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Patterson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_of_Darkness ,_Child_of_Light
Interesting choice of co-author for Clinton.
▼ think-
Hey @MolochHunter , you might want to add this link to the body of your post (after your first sentence), as proof that the photo is real and the Clintons really travelled on a commercial flight:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5935411/Bill-Hillary-Clinton-fly-commercial-TWICE-one-weekend-former-president-mingling-fans.html
▼ carmencita
Perhaps this is why he likes reading this book (aside from the possible description of the rape of a 13 yr old girl) . From the comments of Carolyn:
Ted Conkaffey, accused of the abduction and rape of a young girl, but not convicted due to lack of evidence, has run away to Crimson Lake, near Cairns to lick his wounds and try to start a new life. Neither his workmates, fellow detectives in the Drug squad, nor his wife believe he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now labelled a pedophile after serving eight months in remand, he has lost his job, access to his baby daughter and lives in fear of the case being re-opened.
The most important part of it is " not convicted due to lack of evidence" and then "lives in fear of the case being re-opened". Kind of defines his whole life.
▼ Dfens
Some more info: https://voat.co/v/3rdCouncilofNicea/2638353 , https://voat.co/v/3rdCouncilofNicea/2638521
▼ carmencita
They are playing us again. Gramma and Grampa flying like anyone else. Reading. The Double Whammy Trick is on us. He is reading that book and I think it is a Huge Message to us. He has gotten off many times and he is sending a message that he will be vindicated through lack of evidence, just like the book's character. The Clintons are Masters of Deceit. There are always messages, just like in the movies, now it is in a book.
▼ septimasexta
Was the pilot's name Ron Brown? "http://www.libertylobby.org/articles/1997/19971229ron_brown.html"
▼ Cc1914
Thank you !! I was thinking the same thing once again 😁 he was sending a message ! They love to show us how untouchable they are .
▼ carmencita
They are such Narcissists. Always sending messages well, because they think we are all hanging on their every word. Hmm. Maybe they are right. At least about that.
▼ Cc1914
Ha ! Yep!
▼ carmencita
I hope he gets the biggest shock of his life.
▼ mrohm
So the book is basically the John Podesta biography?
▼ think-
I guess Podesta is specialized in raping and torturing younger children...
▼ septimasexta
Source? Do you refer to the "Fatherhood" video? Was that ever proven to be authentic?
Also, this "fix" would have been much better, quicker, and less confusing.....LOL!
"kinda sucks when your asses are frozen by an exec order against human trafficking eh? "
▼ mrohm
The child is very obviously terrified, the background strobes match a Majestic Ape show from CPP online, the guy sure sounds like Skippy, if I'm not mistaken, the child calls him John and Skippy.
▼ septimasexta
Didn't someone do voiceprint comparisons? It was a terrifying video. Comet has an upstairs with no visible stairwell, if I recall. However, there was that odd photo in a magazine article about Jimmy Comet where he is standing up in the air on a decorative wall feature in the restaurant. There are many of these metal protrusions which go higher and higher towards the ceiling, almost like floating steps.
▼ mrohm
There have been a couple, but shills just ignore that. It's pretty obviously Podesta.
Whether Comet itself has a basement is a moot point, though you are right, it does have an odd design inside.
▼ septimasexta
Also, check out this old video where pizzagate sleuths went to Comet on the day after the Welch affair. There is an interesting poster inside Besta starting at :31 It reads "If you want to live upstairs, go for it". Also, it appears that Besta has a basement.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pewv6uSUH14 Hasn't Besta recently closed down?
▼ think-
No source, just a gut feeling.
▼ septimasexta
Why the downvoat?
▼ think-
? Err, I didn't downvoat you!
▼ septimasexta
Oh, sorry!
▼ think-
Never mind, grin .
▼ think-
Thank you!
You're welcome.
▼ TheAntiZealot
Zoe Mann from the OP's link:
The review continues.
▼ DeathToMasonsASAP
"kinda sucks when your assetts are frozen by an exec order against human trafficking eh?" It was a declaration of National Emergency, and the intent was to continue the suspension of the constitution. We have been under martial law since the government was dissolved March 9th, 1933 via the emergency banking act. All that is required to maintain this scam is for the acting POTUS to annually to declare National Emergency, thus suspending the constitution. That is why they are never bound by it. All the while the International Bankers collect your taxes, pay the politicians that work for USA INC. and pay the refunds to the tax payers. Everything else they pocket. That is who the FBI and CIA work for. And you guys think a cover-up is an investigation. Yeah, the Clinton's are in real trouble right?
▼ ESOTERICshade
Thanx for being sane.
▼ DeathToMasonsASAP
This entire Clinton's on a commercial airliner seems like a stunt. To my knowledge, ex POTUS receive security the rest of their lives. Did security also fly commercial in the seats around them? I think we should question this whole thing. It may be an attempt to show how poorly they are doing, Trump is bringing everybody low, they are shaking in their boots and justice is around the corner. That is not a possibility without global revolution. They don't arrest themselves, they protect those that serve their agendas. And all politicians are paid by the bankers, not US citizens. We are taxed by the International banking cartel, Vatican, British Crown.
▼ AssFaceSandwich2
"See, we ARE normo's just like you, and did you notice Bill shook his security detail, just like those many times on the Lolita Express? Totally normal thing to do"
▼ ESOTERICshade
http://double.facepalm.de/images/facepalm.jpg
▼ kazza64
it actually sounds like a good book he probably just saw 13yr old girl and thought yep that'll do
▼ outside-the-box
pic of bubba at the bookstore
▼ kazza64
lol
▼ kazza64
what the fuck were they doing on that plane anyway and could they have looked anymore awkward with each other and with the other passengers they are not normal people
▼ think-
LOL
▼ Oh_Well_ian
The only time their 'personalities' come out is when the lights and the big cameras are on them.
Bubba reading that book in public indicates just how disturbed he is... I bet he never stops thinking about raping children.
▼ realityisinsanity
Set in Australia. Probably some connection to Fiona Barnett.
▼ think-
Hi @MolochHunter , as far as I remember, this is mere speculation at this point. I'd like to ask you to please add a link that either proves assets of the Clintons have been frozen by an executive order (IIRC, Trump's EO only applies for assets of foreign citizens, and the Clintons are not named in the annex) or to change your wording, indicating that you are speculating that their assets might have been frozen, maybe in the form of a question.
Thank you. I'll give you the 24 hours Grace flair, so that you'll have some time to edit.
▼ KnightsofHubris
@therealkrispy , @think- ,
The executive order is not the place to start to understand what the US government is doing with human rights violators. To understand this, you first need to start with the Global Magnitsky Act. https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/13/us-global-magnitsky-act
There was a Magnitsky law passed in 2012 and one passed in 2016. This just hit the news again because Putin and Trump discussed it at their private meeting.
The Global Magnitsky Act is not used against Americans because US persons would be subject to US law, i.e. if they were here we could just use existing laws indict them and have a trial. This is about human rights violators who are beyond the reach of US Law. We are saying we can cut you off from the US banking system which in effect cuts you off from the global banking system because other banks won't deal with you and risk violating American sanctions.
The executive order that happened under Trump is the enforcement of this law. This comes at the tail end of the process which is Congress recommends a list of people to be sanctioned and these people are then check by the Treasury Dept and the State Department. The vetted list is then presented to the President to execute the law. This executive was misread by Trump watchers because they assumed Trump was the start of this process and they misread the part about declaring a national emergency. It's basically a limited national emergency, but it's required in order to seize someone's assts. Congress does not have the rights to freeze someone's assets like this but the President does. This law does not give the President new powers in seizing someone's assets and sanctioning them, it just gives a new reason this might happen. Drug Dealers and Terrorists have long been on the Treasuries sanctions list.
You will notice that the first words of the Executive reference the existing laws that give the President these powers.
In short this law was passed by Congress and the execution of the law required an executive order and this would have happened no matter who was president. And as you discovered, this doesn't apply to US people.
▼ septimasexta
Your legal reckoning is superior. UpVOAT for you! The legal system has become convoluted by design. It is interesting that Trump is using a law created under THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. "They never thought she would lose" LOL!
"In 2012, the US Congress passed a law in his name that imposed sanctions on a list of Russian officials believed to be responsible for serious human rights violations, freezing any US assets they hold and banning them from entry into the United States."
▼ KnightsofHubris
I think you might have missed my point. Both Magnitsky laws were passed under Obama. Both will never apply to American citizens like Hilary Clinton. It's not that Trump is using this law....Trump is executing a law passed by Congress and the way the law is written is Trump cannot just sanction whoever he wants. There are like 4 different Congressional Committees who can submit a list of names. These are reviewed by the State Department and Treasury department and the final list goes to the President to execute. Anybody who was president, Trump, Bernie, Clinton, Rubio or whomever, would get the same list. In August of last year, the Senate submitted a list of 20 names. and 13 of them ended up getting sanctioned along with folks/entities connected to them https://www.cardin.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/cardin-mccain-prod-trump-administration-to-use-global-magnitsky-tools-to-punish-human-rights-violators-and-corrupt-officials-from-around-the-world
As an aside Both Obama and Trump were criticized for not being as enthusiastic about this law as Congress was. Seems like both came around on it...or maybe just the reality of it, that they couldn't veto it.
▼ think-
Thanks, @KnightsofHubris , for providing the context.
I'd recommend reading the comment above, @Vindicator @ben_matlock @EricKaliberhall @srayzie @bopper .
It provides the context necessary for a deepened understanding why the Clintons' assets (or assets of any other of our cabal PG suspects) definitely cannot have been frozen by Trump's EO.
▼ ESOTERICshade
As usual @think- is on the money. Thank you for spending your time on this and doing the research. You are appreciated :)
▼ srayzie
😫 Thank you.
▼ think-
Sorry, srayz. You're welcome.
xoxo
▼ therealkrispy
Thanks, even though I butchered the context. Fingers crossed, we'll find the Clintons and pals in some of those sealed indictments from last year.
▼ ESOTERICshade
Thanx for flagging this mod. Ignore the down votes from the Zionist tards.
▼ think-
Err...Esoteric...how do you know who downvoated my comment? I think there might be a quite a few reasons why people didn't like it.
▼ ESOTERICshade
Q tards, MAGA tards, zionist gate keepers, take your pick, this sub is flooded with it.
▼ Shizy
I thought you said you were outta here esoteric????
▼ Oh_Well_ian
you've gone full Tallest_Skil
downvoaters = Zionists = Q followers
have a downvoat, faggot
▼ ESOTERICshade
You are an apologist for Zionist and a Q follower, and you are down voting me, how ironic
▼ Oh_Well_ian
I love how you're handling your destroyed reputation..
Everybody is downvoating you. lol
▼ EricKaliberhall
Maybe you can use all your other accounts here on voat and UpVoat then? Instead of always UpVoating yourself.
▼ ESOTERICshade
Think- is the only non zionist mod we have, thank God.
▼ ben_matlock
Lol zionist? 🙉 I'm a Maronite Catholic in Asia with literally zero jewish friends.
▼ ESOTERICshade
Our own mods are trolling our forum. This is not a good development.
▼ think-
Sorry, that's definitely not true. I haven't met a Zionist mod here yet. Not all people who support Trump are Zionists, remember?
@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @ben_matlock
▼ ESOTERICshade
If you are gonna try to ping up a shit fest, by pinging up the tribe, I rest my case. Its too hot to go fishing, so maybe I will buy a drone or a metal detector. Had high hopes for you.
▼ think-
Well, you accused my fellow mods of being Zionists, and they should be able to defend themselves.
Have a good day.
▼ ESOTERICshade
You too. :) And I mean that sincerely. Keep up the good work :)
▼ DeathToMasonsASAP
think- sucks too. So there is that.
▼ ESOTERICshade
@think- is the only active non zionist mod we have and we need to appreciate that while it lasts.
▼ EricKaliberhall
You are a pathetic Media Matters whore @ESOTERICshade ... No one takes you seriously!
▼ ESOTERICshade
Show me one ounce of proof that the Clinton's assets are frozen. Go ahead. You are a Zionist disinfo person and you NEVER deal in real information, but only insults, just like a true zionist. It is very unfotunate that you were allowed to penetrate this forum with a mod position.
And you down vote those that you debate, the mark of a true little bitch.
▼ EricKaliberhall
Says the faggot with his own down voat brigade... Laughable.
▼ ESOTERICshade
Also known as "like minded thinkers" that realize that you are a lying zionist gate keeping asshole.
▼ EricKaliberhall
Of course your alts are "like minded thinkers"... How many times have you been outed as a shill? I've lost count.
▼ ESOTERICshade
Still waiting for any evidence that the Clintons have had their assets frozen...............................................
▼ ESOTERICshade
How do you feel about Israel? Israel is pretty much she shit stain of planet earth. Do you agree?
▼ EricKaliberhall
How many times have you been outed as a shill?
Brüssels is the shit stain of planet earth.
▼ ESOTERICshade
I agree that Brussels is a shit stain. What about Israel?
▼ EricKaliberhall
The closer you get to the equator... The shittier it gets. Now fuck off you smug shill!
▼ ESOTERICshade
The EricKaliberhall, so far, refuses to disavow Israel. interesting.....
▼ EricKaliberhall
Your divide and conquer tactics will never work! You are such a joke!
▼ ESOTERICshade
Disavow Israel. Call Israel a shit stain upon the planet. I need to see you say it.
▼ think-
Why should he? This is not kindergarten, and he's not your minion, Esoteric.
@EricKaliberhall @Vindicator @ben_matlock @srayzie
▼ ESOTERICshade
Are you singing Israel's praises these days?
▼ think-
Lame attempt, Esoteric. What part of 'this is not kindergarten and he's not your minion' didn't you get?
@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @ben_matlock
▼ ESOTERICshade
No lame attempts. Israel is the Talmudic parasite our country is being fed to. This is very simple.
▼ ESOTERICshade
Do you agree that Israel is a shit stain and a butthole of the earth?
▼ Shizy
Spend some time in therapy instead of spewing your vileness here! It's not healthy for you!
▼ ESOTERICshade
Every day that I expose Zionism for the detrimental rag that it is is a good day for me. Very cathartic and relaxing.
Weighing my options. Its too hot to fish. Looking for old shit around river banks with a metal detector sounds interesting. I won't get rich but it might be interesting. :)
▼ therealkrispy
My reading of the EO in question seems to apply to everyone, foreign and domestic alike. Specifically Section 1. (a) appears to imply this:
Section 1. (a) All property and interests in property that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of any United States person of the following persons are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in:
(i) the persons listed in the Annex to this order;
(ii) any foreign person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Attorney General:
(A) to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have directly or indirectly engaged in, serious human rights abuse;
(B) to be a current or former government official, or a person acting for or on behalf of such an official, who is responsible for or complicit in, or has directly or indirectly engaged in:
(1) corruption, including the misappropriation of state assets, the expropriation of private assets for personal gain, corruption related to government contracts or the extraction of natural resources, or bribery; or
(2) the transfer or the facilitation of the transfer of the proceeds of corruption;
▼ think-
I think the key is the following phrase:
I read this as 'of any US person of the persons listed in the Annex'. But I will try to find some more info.
Thank you for your comment.
▼ therealkrispy
I respectfully disagree. You're citing Section 1. (a), correct? When it says "of the following persons," I think it's pretty clear that "the following persons" applies to anyone further described in Section 1. (a), which would include not just those listed in the Annex, but those "determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Attorney General" to fit the descriptions present in lines A, B and C, as well as D, which I didn't post, along with persons defined in subsection (iii), which I also didn't post. If you feel citing line D and subsection (iii) is appropriate, I'll gladly add them to my original post, to better inform our fellow investigators and concerned citizens.
▼ think-
Yes, please do! I think it's quite interesting to look into this.
I think this is the point where our reading of the EO differs. I think the Secretaries can only determine further persons who are of foreign nationality . But I will gladly read the rest of the EO to see whether I've been wrong.
Thank you for your contribution!
▼ therealkrispy
Updated to include a link to the EO, as well as the rest of (ii) and the entirery of (iii).
▼ think-
Thanks!
▼ therealkrispy
Any time. Feel free to bother me if you need any policies copypasta'd.
▼ think-
Thank you! So we have 'the persons listed in the Annex to this order, or any foreign person determined....' = definitely not the Clintons (sadly) .
@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @ben_matlock @srayzie @bopper
▼ therealkrispy
I updated my statement to better and further cite the EO and specifically address applications to US persons, as defined by the EO, along with current or former government officials. As cited in my now updated comment, it could be applied not only to the Clintons, but also Obama and even John Podesta, as they're all former government officials.
▼ think-
No, unfortunately this is not possible, since the provisions in A-C only refer to the persons defined in (i) and (ii), and these are (see my comment above) only
[my reading: only persons listed in the Annex]
My TL;DR: The EO only applies to the United States citizens actually listed in the EO and foreign citizens, who also might be determined later by the SOSs. US citizens cannot be determined by the Secretaries at a later date.
Since the Clintons are not listed in the EO Annex, and cannot be determined eligable at a later date, they are not targeted by the EO.
@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @ben_matlock @srayzie @bopper
▼ therealkrispy
Ah, I see it now. Yes, you're correct. Clearly I should've started the day with caffeine, then gotten into legal debates.
▼ think-
Well, actually I'm glad that you disagreed with me - this way I was forced to look into the EO again, and read the details!
Hope you gonna continue contributing to our discussions - with or without caffeine. ;-)
@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @ben_matlock @srayzie @bopper
▼ therealkrispy
Thank you. I plan on it.
▼ MolochHunter
hows that edit for you?
▼ think-
That's great, thanks! :-) Gonna remove the flair.
Keep up the good work!
▼ Oh_Well_ian
I have a hard time understanding why the Clintons would be on ANY domestic flight, in full view of the public. Their combined net worth of $110 Million is more than enough to cover costs of hiring private charters or having a Net Jets membership.
▼ pixiesbitch
I hope the plane they are on crashes and they are quite literally shitting themselves with fear, praying to lucifer, but he will not be there to save them, then I hope as it nose dives into the ocean it bursts into flames but they don’t die immediately, no no no, they are then eaten alive by great white sharks whilst ALSO being on fire and er ...yeah. A girl can dream