Let's debunk some of the "pizzagate debunked!!1!" strawman articles ( pizzagate )

submitted by WhoaMan

First off let's look at Snopes :

The 'Podesta e-mails' revealed the existence of a secret society of pedophiles operating through a pizza place loosely connected to Clinton associate David Brock. See Example( s )

"The 'Podesta e-mails'" - actually there were various characters involved, not just Podesta, and there were SPECIFIC emails cited (rather than a vague "The Podesta emails you guys don't need to worry about reading"). Notice that the element discussed is generalized rather than specific (as it should be)

"...revealed the existence of a secret society of pedophiles" - the "secret society" part is intentionally inserted to make the people look crazy or insane. The "revealed" part again is inappropriate because it gets very specific as if there was one single email that unlocked this whole thing, when there were several

"... operating through a pizza place loosely connected to Clinton associate David Brock." - notice that Snopes zoomed in on the wrong people and wrong relationship (misdirection) on David Brock, as well as Brock's connection with Clinton (associate). The actual star focused on in the post was James Alefantis, and his relationship with Brock (former lovers). Notice that Snopes acted as if Comet Pizza were the center of this whole conspiracy when in reality it was alleged to be one of multiple places.

Notice that Snopes made no reference to the fact that Comet Pizza changed its logo.

Notice that Snopes made no reference to the fact that BBC and Alefantis LIED ABOUT NOT HAVING A BASEMENT

On 4 November 2016, Reddit user u/DumbScribblyUnctious published a thread titled “Comet Ping Pong – Pizzagate Summary” to subreddit r/The_Donald (a community of Donald Trump supporters), which appears to have touched off a complex and detailed conspiracy theory involving WikiLeaks’ release of e-mails from former Hillary Clinton presidential campaign chair John Podesta, child exploitation, and a Washington, D.C., pizzeria called Comet Ping Pong.

Notice how Snopes VERY SPECIFICALLY pins this entire idea/concept down to specific people with specific ideas

Compare the Strawman Snopes made to the original post

Comet Pizza is a pizza place owned by James Alefantis, who is the former gay boyfriend of David Brock, the CEO of Correct The Record. It has been the venue for dozens of events for the Hillary campaign staff. John Podesta has had campaign fundraisers there for both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. John's brother and business partner Tony Podesta has his birthday party there every year.

The entire post was a summary of SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITIES, SPECULATION and THEORIES

And the single biggest character involved was Alefantis

This is a good third party review of the situation in article form

Zorrilla

Wasn't it Besta, not Comet, that changed their logo?

racmo

yes

Vindicator

Yep

cantfindmenow

Great idea. When I have the time I will create blog posts on these such things. If the basement issue has been debunked here then its a good way to prove that people care about debunking or proving things, we dont just blindly believe stuff or make stuff up. It adds to the validity if we prove that pizzagate researchers are not looneys as the MSM would have you believe. ALL articles I've read so far focus on the non existent basement and the CRAZY UNHINGED SCARY DANGEROUS guy who fired a shot in comet ping pong. However they fail to mention the hard drive he apparently destroyed in a fluke with that one shot. Ahem.

letsdothis2

Snopes has already been done to death round here https://searchvoat.co/?t=snopes&s=pizzagate&u=&d=&df=&dt=&nsfw=off

The_Real_Wahrheit

I've been watching this thread now for 10 minutes or so and it died at least for now. I think that's an AWS trick.

However, this methodologicial analysis is very good. I agree with the OP completely. Nice work!

Snopes is a great start for reviews, top of the hierarchy (not for me, but of course you know what I mean).

The_Real_Wahrheit

And I won too, AWS.

You dug into the issues that I called irrelevant.

Basement, blah, blah, blah.

Touche.

The_Real_Wahrheit

I remember the day The 'Podesta e-mails' were posted. And there were quick revelations about the FBI pedo symbols that cinched it for me as being something that needed to be explored. Undoutedly, completely, dodgy.

Secret Society. Beyond my wildest dreams. I was asleep.

The rest? Made up / half assed. Don't care. (operating through a pizza place loosely connected to Clinton associate David Brock).

Are_we__sure

Alefantis did not lie about Comet not having a basement. It does not. His other restaurant Buck's does have a basement. However, people were not making claims about Buck's basement.

Can you put together a summary of Pizzagate that does not lead to Pizzagate being debunked?

letsdothis2

I'm upvoating you only because this whole basement thing has always been a red herring for pizzagate. CPP does not have a basement but Bucks does. The. End.

Yuke

That's true, but you'd expect a normal response to be like the one you just gave. "I don't have a basement at Comet, but I do at Buck's two doors away". No, he didn't want any mention of a basement being made.

I don't think a basement was ever needed at Comet anyway. I think if they used that place for anything nefarious it would have simply been held in the back room. Too much was made of that location when there are multiple ones involved or ones that could be involved that have had little attention.

septimasexta

It's already been done. You weren't invited. LOL!

The_Real_Wahrheit

Ha only I and AWS have posted at this point. God you are quick you fucking turd.