JohnDavidPodesta

@Pizzalawyer @truthdemon @enigmatic_continuum

Let's make something very clear shall we? I am not nor have I ever been a pedophile.
Second of all, for a lawyer your insights are innumerably ostensible and and at times flagrantly fictitious, not a good look.

You all seem to fail to grasp the initial point that, these tweets and the Esla channels constitute directly as a form of child pornography. Could we at least attempt to include that in our actionable data?

Enigmatic_Continuum

Why are you choosing to comment on a deleted thread? Stop on by the live thread and say your piece. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2652549

carmencita

The name on the account is why he wants to respond in the deleted one. Most possibly the real jdp.

Enigmatic_Continuum

Yeah... curious indeed.

carmencita

They are on here, believe me.

Enigmatic_Continuum

Proof you're actually John Podesta? Where's your brother? Considering the art he collects, I'm betting he enjoys the Elsagate vids.

Elsagate is already and has always been included in the actionable data. Many people worked to get YouTube to shut it down.

JohnDavidPodesta

Tony has never had a problem engaging with attractive women . Well ownership of those pieces was something of an art piece in itself, according to Tony, I'm not going to attempt to drive the point home here about it, you can put the pieces together sufficiently if you try. It's not difficult.

Do you mind divulging which role you are libelling me with currently, with regards to Elsagate? I don't work for youtube, I don't even work for the DNC which I see written constantly in relation to the tragic death of Seth Rich. I have part ownership of the Pastorum Group who work with Seth's family, I mean come on. Are you trying to suggest they are also involved? How about letting them grieve in peace like any decent human being would.

Enigmatic_Continuum

The Pastorum Group, huh? I checked it out, and see nothing except vague language about what they do and what they stand for except that Democratic ideals is what the group, and you by association, stand for and promote.

Tell me about a situation this would apply to:

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Did you get the Pastorum Group to help you out when you realized you compromised yourself and Hillary when you left your cell phone in a taxi resulting in its sensitive information being accessed?

Did the Pastorum Group have a hand in the Alefantis/Megyn Kelly interview?

Media relations is more than a press release — it’s understanding the nuance of the news cycle and what makes journalist say, “Now THAT’s a story I need to cover.” We've spent years cultivating relationships with political reporters across the country and have a rich network to reach out to. We know which reporters like to cover what, how they like to write and what they find interesting. We build earned media operations from the ground up and get your priorities to print. https://www.thepastorumgroup.com/expertise-1/

Jog my memory... who was it again who said, "Never let a good crisis go to waste?"

OK, there's been a few, but the latest that comes to mind is Obama's buddy Rahm Emanuel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb-YuhFWCr4

Nobody is associating you with Elsagate.

Is that you in the Fatherhood video?

carmencita

Evidently as Elvis, he has left the building. When things get tough they scram. Oh so much sounds like the real jdp. My mind also quickly went to the Fatherhood video. Yes, he is trying to extricate himself any way he can because of that vid. He wants no one to link him to it or youtube. Amazing. The Pastorum Group that sounds a little like.....The Podesta Group. Hmm.

Enigmatic_Continuum

He's still here and just replied to me on the other thread alluding to him wanting to help take down Elsagate. So, this is either true desperation or a LARP.

carmencita

It can always be a Larp as we well know, but there is also a very good chance it is true. He does not like it one bit that he is being connected to Elsa. He seems to be getting desperate to bring that point across. Possibly he IS involved in it's push to normalize. But only in the business aspect of it. He in no way wants connection to youtube. That is a big red alarm.

PollyPeterson

It's because they don't really seek solutions, they enjoy obfuscation and stereotyping.

Enigmatic_Continuum

Welcome! Not happy with how the info you've provided is being circulated and analyzed?

It's going around that you're Marina Abramovic's niece. Did you state this about yourself? If so, can you provide proof that you're related to Marina Abramovic?

PollyPeterson

Well my family crest also features the crow.

Enigmatic_Continuum

And...

Please provide links. Do you have any photos of you with Abramovic?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Enigmatic_Continuum

Can't see anything from a thumbnail. Original photo has been 404ed.

PollyPeterson

Enigmatic_Continuum

You linked me to an article that is defending Abramovic's "art" and stating that she's not associated with Satanism. LMAO!

MollyPeterson

She is Satan. The article was a play on words relating to the Macron photograph. "reincarnated as a macaron"

Enigmatic_Continuum

I don't disagree that she's a follower of Satan, and your interpretation of that article is interesting, but I asked for a photo of YOU with Abramovic. If you're a family member, you have a photo together at some point in your life, no?

Cc1914

So MA niece is of the “ Jain “ faith . What is that ? I didn’t read all of it because the flag has a Swastika on it . We will forever be called nazis (Dan Harmon calling 29% of us nazis comes to mind ) if we have anything to do with this symbol . We can just use the knew found knowledge on obscenity law . We don’t need her .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism

PollyPeterson

Ouch. Ghandi was a Jain and we share the same personality type. You have hurt me.

Cc1914

I didn’t mean to hurt you . I’m stating facts . We have all been hurt by the lies of Babylon the Great ! Or in other words “ the world empire of false religion “ Ghandi was a man . We’re not supposed to worship anyone but the God who’s name can be found at psalms 83:18 . But we have free will and are not forced to worship the only true God . We have a choice .

PollyPeterson

You called us nazis

Cc1914

No I did not ! I pointed out the swastika looking symbol on your flag and said people would basically call us nazis if we associate with it . Please don’t put words in my mouth .

Enigmatic_Continuum

I agree, and apologize for the stumbling block. I should've ignored the fluff, but when linking to a thread that I didn't read or have any part in the research, I thought it was important to include. My bad. Yes, the info is all we should be focusing on.

The Jain faith is all about liberating the soul and doing no harm, but there's a lot more to it and all I saw were references to minor gods and other religious figures, but never God.

Cc1914

Exactly ! And it’s nice to see that you know the difference between “ gods “ and “ God “ the capatilzation of the “ G “ is refering only to God the almighty , the creator of the earth , and us ! This is why so many don’t call God by his name . They removed it from the Bible ! Over 7 k times Gods name was in the Bible and the Jews replaced it with the title “ LORD “ ! This is also a rabbit hole worth digging on . You can usually still find Gods name at Psalms 83:18 in most Bibles . Sorry to go off on another subject , but your comment brought that to mind 🙂

Enigmatic_Continuum

No worries! It's good to mention this and I wish more people understood.

Pizzalawyer

Im too tired this AM.to repeat my response to your prior post other than to say that obcenity laws are nearly impossible to.enforce altho I would welcome laws which.some how address access by children to.SRA content even if they prove equally.difficult to enforce. Abramovic may be the darling of left wingers and museum curators (who.also like Jeff Koon's "art" ).. All I know.is I would never take my children to.see her nude performances or her blood on the wall performances or her cannabalism performances. And I only learned about this wench via Pizzagate.

truthdemon

Goes to show the law is an ass... Lawyers will not admit that the name we carry around is a separate entity to the flesh and blood man..it functions as a trust ... I spoke to a lawyer about this ...and found her ...an adult woman...literally biting her nails...like a child...

Lawyers are one of the only group cursed by Jesus Christ...woe unto ye lawyers...

All countries operate under roman war occupation law.. ..with civil law..a cover for the administration of this military occupation... The remedy is to get out of the war jursidiction ...not stay inside it ..and be controlled by the pedo freaks...who control the parliaments and assemblies all across the planet..the laws are written by lawyers
Dum diversas is the basis where they get their power from..all international experts acknowledge it isnthe basis of international law ..which by defintion is trade law... Lawyers whonbelieve in the military occupation ..and apologise for it ...are the problem ..not the solution to activating universal jurisdiction over each public official .. https://youtu.be/Z4pFuXbA130

Pizzalawyer

Well.there is some validity to your opinion. I have always said that lawyers are the "witch doctors" of society as we have a good handle on the hidden machinations of the world and can engage in some hocus-pocus for the benefit of those who.pay us. On the other hand, when someone is in trouble, boy do they come arunnin' to us!

Enigmatic_Continuum

Totally understand, and I'm going to resubmit this thread with a different. I'll post your other response into the comments and tag you.

Are_we__sure

Marina Abramovic's niece is named Polly Peterson? And lives in Minnesota? Color me doubtful. EDIT: actually the posts you link to don't seem to say that at all. Where is this coming from?

This is related to Pizzagate because Peterson is stating that there are no laws that protect obscene materials, which means that Abramovic and all the other elite who peddle and promote their pedo and Satanic ritual smut are able to be charged under federal laws.

The first half of that sentence is true and the second half is not. Obscene material is illegal and not protected by the 1st Ammendment, but there are very broad constitutional protections. I don't know what you consider smut, but the hardcore porn industry is flourishing with legal protections.

I don't know who Peterson is, but she doesn't seem to know obscenity law, one of the judicial tests is "whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value." (reading the linked post she does mention this) Abramovic's work has been shown in musuems the world over. There's a picture of her wearing what pizzagate folk claim is an upside down Satanic Cross. It's actually her wearing Austria's highest medal for the arts. Peterson either doesn't know the case history of obscenity law or she is deceiving people and giving them false hope. Abramovic is not going on trial.

PollyPeterson

You honestly don't have the first clue about what you are talking about.

We're not talking about Marina's art. We are talking about the obscene tweets being made by celebrities and Elsagate as the root of the discussion here.

Enigmatic_Continuum

Again, if you doubt the messenger, please stick to analyzing the info she provided. Please see my other comments in this thread.

If you disagree with the law info she provided, the burden is on you to show why you disagree with related links as proof. Remember, this is debate site, so back your shit up. Thanks!

Are_we__sure

Again, if you doubt the messenger, please stick to analyzing the info she provided. Please see my other comments in this thread.

I did both. And when I looked at the links you provided I did not see any claims that Polly Peterson was related to Marina Abramovic. So where are you getting that.

US First Amendment law and obscenity law is a well known subject. When something is well known you don't need to link to it. Here's where I analyzed her argument and back it up.

Obscene material is illegal and not protected by the 1st Amendment, but there are very broad constitutional protections. I don't know what you consider smut, but the hardcore porn industry is flourishing with legal protections.

My point was someone on this board thinking something is disgusting doesn't make it illegal. Lots of folks here would be disgusted by hardcore porn. But hardcore porn is legal. You would have to show that Ambramovic's art is worse than hardcore porn.

I went on to quote the commonly known judicial test for obscenity, and when I read the linked post I saw that she quoted this as well. So are both talking about the same thing, we are disagreeing on what that means

but she doesn't seem to know obscenity law, one of the judicial tests is "whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. "

An Abramovic obsenity trial for her peformance art would never even get out of a grand jury, let alone go all the way to conviction. Ambramovic's work does contain artistic value. Full Stop. If there ever was a trial, should could call upon art critics and museum curators from the world over to talk about her work.

If you can't get a conviction on any of the thousands of hardcore porn movies made in 2018, you are not going to get a conviction of Marina Ambramovic because the bar is even higher with her. Here's the list of Artstic Awards she has won in her career.

Awards Golden Lion, XLVII Venice Biennale,

Niedersächsischer Kunstpreis

New York Dance and Performance Awards

International Association of Art Critics, Best Show in a Commercial Gallery Award,

Austrian Decoration for Science and Art

Honorary Doctorate of Arts, University of Plymouth UK,

Cultural Leadership Award, American Federation of Arts,

Honorary Doctorate of Arts, Instituto Superior de Arte, Cuba,

'July 13' Lifetime Achievement Awards, Podgorica, Montenegro,

Berliner Bear

Peabody Award

(In Short the pizzagate community has seriously caricatured what she does and flat out lied in other cases. In the real world, she will never be prosecuted for this. Certainly not under US laws.)

Lordbananafist

Anybody ever consider that maybe you shouldn't rush to get affiliated with a blood relative of a satanic priestess just because she told you about some case law from 1973??

Enigmatic_Continuum

Law is law. Not all of us love each member of our family as you do.

One thing will never change - a person will always need to cite previous case law to argue their side in court in order to win.

If you don't like or believe the messenger, then try your best to ignore them and just look at the info they're providing.

Lordbananafist

Why would I ignore her status as a blood relative of abramovich???

We don't know by which corruption vector these people operate...

Enigmatic_Continuum

My only problem with Peterson is that she mentions what religion she is. That struck me as odd, so I looked into it. Yes, it's a red flag. While I didn't exactly see anything they do that I would agree with or find harmful, Jainism has nothing to do with God as far as I saw.

Lordbananafist

Neat story...

let me be the first to inform you then that you'll never ever be in charge of any secured areas or gates

Enigmatic_Continuum

What makes you think I want to be in charge of any secure areas?

Lordbananafist

Because you think it's a good idea to get involved with the fucking niece of Marina abramovich?? Can I reinvent the wheel for you as well?

Why even mention the source at all?? All this shits available on findlaw probably

This is too strange toooooo fucking strange

Enigmatic_Continuum

There you go again with misleading context by creating a narrative that I'm getting involved or affiliating myself with her. You make it sounds as though I've invited her to dinner. Get a fucking grip.

I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO HER! I HAVE NOT ENGAGED WITH HER AT ALL! This is a link to a thread about her posts.

@NASAspecialops - @LordBananafist has some issues with the info you originally posted to v/politics . Can you help clear things up?

Lordbananafist

"Is on our side"

Enigmatic_Continuum

Yes, she is AFFLILIATING HERSELF WITH US

You're a thread sliding punk.

Lordbananafist

lol

Lordbananafist

Lol you wrote the title

And now unprovoked ad hominem... ok buddy

Enigmatic_Continuum

All you do is talk is circles about shit that doesn't matter.

Lordbananafist

right sounds good

Enigmatic_Continuum

Is it related or unrelated to the info she provided? What if she were just a Harvard student who wasn't related to MA?

Also, you're the one who mentioned affiliation. I don't consider myself to be affiliating with her just by passing on her info. If anything, she's the one affiliating herself with us as the PG collective.

Lordbananafist

ITS HIGHLY RELATED.

WTF

I hope you lawyer better than you opsec because inviting this person onboard is fucking insane

Enigmatic_Continuum

You're right. Everybody should focus just on this, and slide the thread, so nobody is looking at the law info.

As far as I can see, Peterson never once claims to be Abramovic's niece. Maybe you need to ask the original thread's author why they put this info in the title.

Maybe I should delete this thread and change the title to 'Minnesota Law student is on our side with bombshell info.'

PollyPeterson

Marina was the one who posted it.

Enigmatic_Continuum

Why don't you enter the live thread about this? https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2652549

Enigmatic_Continuum

Where? I need a link.

carmencita

I saw something about this yesterday. If this is true, it is the best news ever. They were banking on us not knowing. Thank You Polly P.

Are_we__sure

They were banking on us not knowing.

This is an amazing comment.

carmencita

Yes, isn't it. Amazing because it is true. This country is asleep, that's why.