Hi Ben, since we were not able to find any proof that Abramovic has been connected to this case, or that she already was in Austsralia at the time of the murder, I will change the flair from 'Unverified' to 'Possible Disinformation'.
Did anyone check out the bottom link about top search results?, Azaria: vegan and genuine leather baby and toddler work bag ! WTF , made me think of skin harvesting. Weird.
It was a performance before an audience. It was a famous piece that they repeated about 20 times. There's thousands of eye witnessing.
And she topped that by recreating this during a piece she did in MOMA in NYC, where any museumgoer could line up and sit opposite her. Over 1,500 did during the run the exhibition. She was there every moment the musuem was open. It was a sensation and they made a move about it.
Excellent job of putting together some seemingly random pieces and coming up with something very possible if not probable. That story always seemed odd. Makes total sense now.
Interestingly, this Guardian article pinpoints that first performance of "The Gaze" in Australia as the reason for Abramovic's entry into the celebrity world:
"“She holds Australia very dear to her heart – like her artistic, spiritual home. Spending six or seven months in the outback really transformed her art.”
The Gaze, the work that ultimately brought Abramović celebrity status (and celebrity friends, including the rapper Jay-Z) was first performed at the Art Gallery of New South Wales in 1981, Kaldor reminded us, under the title Nightsea Crossing. “[So] Australia in many ways was an anchor to her artistic development.” "
Looks to me like the child was sacrificed to help launch her celebrity career.
Abramovic's Ayers rock camping trip, according to this article, didn't happen until after the baby's death in August 1980:
"...she [Abramovic] shared photos and memories of her time with the Pitjantjatjara and Pintupi people of the Western Desert from October 1980 to March 1981."
Of course she could easily have adjusted the timeline in retropect to avoid suspicion.
Interestingly, this Guardian article pinpoints that first performance of "The Gaze" in Australia as the reason for Abramovic's entry into the celebrity world:
I think you are reading this wrong. Nightsea Crossing in the 1980's did not bring her into the celebrity world. She was still just in the art word. And Jay-Z was still in the Brooklyn projects and Lady Gaga was watching Madonna videos.
But the gazing she did in Nightsea Crossing she recreated in a piece in NYC in 2010 called The Artist is Present that was also a career retrospective and that catapulted her into the celebrity world. It was a genuine cultural phenomenon. A half a million people came to the museum in 3.5 months.
Looks to me like the child was sacrificed to help launch her celebrity career.
This is a fantastic use of a lot of conspiracy tropes.
First there is the meaningless definition of connections
"Connected to" aka not connected to in any way, but in the area. Wow. Given these rules I am connected to this
Secondly, the fudging of facts to skew the probability.
exact same sparsely-populated region in the middle of nowhere
AKA a world famous tourist spot that gets 400,000 visitors a year, is on the UNESCO World Heritage Site list, and a place where the near bye resort will be happy to set you up to tour the area on one of these
I can't believe people actually attend events like the ones she puts on. Rich people are fucked in the head and the majority of them will be burning in hell when they die.
Two problems with this evidence you're giving, KofH. First,
the exhibition you cite was in 2013, not 1980
. Secondly, if the performance was done on video, it doesn't really prove she was in Ireland not in Australia.
The 2013 exhibition is for the Art Gallery of Ontario not Dublin and what they are exhibiting is the video of a performance that was recorded in Dublin in 1980. Read the part I quoted from the 2013 show.
Performance for Video August 1980, ROSC’80 Dublin
If you read the rest of catalogue it says this explicitly mentions the performance took place in Dublin 1980. She was in Dublin at sometime in August 1980 and she made this video then.
EXHIBITION OVERVIEW
......AGO visitors will also have an opportunity to experience, or discover for the first time, the power of her art — in a remastered video of the performance piece Rest Energy by Abramovic and then-partner Ulay, on view in the Marvin Gelber Gallery starting June 8.
The performance, which took place in Dublin in 1980
, is an enactment of the extreme levels of trust and vulnerability inherent in any deep relationship.
Okay...I see what you are saying. It's in the caption. Thanks for linking to the ROSC 1980 details. :-)
So the Wikipedia article is wrong:
Rest Energy is a 1980 performance art piece created and performed by then-performance artist duo Marina Abramović and Ulay and recorded in Amsterdam.[1][2][3]
Thanks for digging that up. My previous comment was in error -- I corrected it. Read the links, mixed up the articles with a different post. It sometimes happens when reading every link on every post day in and day out. They blur together.
Any thoughts on the YouTube channel pushing this? Is this sloppiness, wishful thinking, or deliberate disinfo?
Any thoughts on the YouTube channel pushing this? Is this sloppiness, wishful thinking, or deliberate disinfo?
In the end does it matter?
That's one thing I've learned by being on these boards. It doesn't really matter why someone is pushing falsehoods, we are still being lied to. Notice that the Commandment doesn't go into you motivation for bearing false witness, it just prohibits it. It doesn't matter if someone is being deliberate about it or it's someone believing it despite the facts or they have mental issues that make coincidences seem like smoking guns or they are they don't actually examine all the evidence, they are all lying to you in a way and they are not trustworthy. You can make exceptions if they are generally trustworthy but sincerely have their facts wrong or if folks are upfront about their motivations and what they know and don't know or if they hedge their claims or make caveats. Those people can be intellectually honest, if they own up to their mistakes. This video is just batshit and I don't care if this guy is being deliberately dishonest or intellectually dishonest what is pushing is shite.
The truth is this woman didn't kill her baby and she wasn't a "breeder." And Mariana Abramovic had nothing whatsoever to do with this woman. And Marina Abramovich is not a witch or Satanist. Her practices are much more in line with Tibetan Buddhism. You already have believe several deeply dishonest things to even entertain this guy's theory...but anyway.
The truth is it was actually a dingo attack. One of the issues with this case was people at the time didn't believe dingos would attack humans, but since then, it's happened over and over and over again.
I have a family member who is prone to panic attacks. Once she saw me checking my pockets and thought I lost my wallet and I showed her I had my wallet and every thing was fine, I was looking for a pen. Over the next few minutes I could see waves of fear wash over her and get big enough that she almost had a full blown panic attack. Over nothing. Over a problem that didn't exist, the wallet wasn't lost. But the cycle had started, she started with a fear that was big enough to overwhelm her circuitry. The chemicals in her brain starting coming and because she was prone to this, the "gates" that hold back those fears couldn't stop it, she was overwhelmed. She has a cognitive glitch. My sincere belief is that folks who believe in vast, global conspiracies have some of these glitches (we all have them at some level, which is why we are not completely logical beings and common logical fallacies are so convincing unless you really stop to examine them. This is why I call them out so often, if you have the language to name them, it becomes a lot easier to spot them. Connecting random dots and making up stories about the connections between those dots is human nature to such a point we don't even realize we are doing it. Our brains are wired for both pattern recognition and storytelling, both have important evolutionary reasons for being.)
I think folks prone to conspiracy often get a bigger "hit" of chemicals in their brain when a pattern is found. Most folks would hear, "Did you know that Marina Abramovic was travelling in the Australian outback during the summer when the dingo ate my baby case happened" and say, Really? Weird. And then they would move on with their day. Others would see this completely random event (And it is completely random) as some significant truth. (big hit of happy brain chemicals) and look for more connections (more happy brain chemicals.) and even weave them into a story. I didn't even look at the video before this comment because I knew it was bullshit. The leap from Marina Abramovic was in the area to Marina Abramovic was involved is just massive. It's like saying if I walk five steps my sixth step will be on Pluto. This is why I commented on the "tropes" or techniques of conspiracy building. And I as watch the video I can see him using these tropes and being at the very least intellectually dishonest.
What this intellectually dishonest video is doing is arguing by closing off other possibilities so that you get this new information shoved into a very narrow framework.
Dishonestly setting the scene.
He starts by claiming this happened in the middle of nowhere, with no other people around, and he does this by showing a photo (one single instant of time) with no one in the background. (He doesn't seem to realize this actually argues against some European artist meeting up with them.) The facts are five other families were also in this camp. But why would he look up the facts when the would most likely ruin his conspiracy video.
He also lies about what they recovered, claiming that they recovered nothing. The very wikipedia page he has up in his video talks about how much the child's clothing was discussed at trial and how the eyewitness believed Chamberlain was telling the truth?
Wait, how could their be eyewitness? He just told us no one was around. I think this indicates active dishonest.
Falsely claiming something is impossible.
1:40 He claims, it's impossible for a human baby to be eaten by dingos and not leave any bones. This is exactly what I mean when I claim he is narrowing the options, slanting how he presents the evidence. For one thing, he knows nothing about dingos. For two, what if they just couldn't find what was left over? He doesn't seem to even consider this. What if the dingos took the baby to some hidden place and ate the baby there.
Since the wikipedia article mentions her clothing was found year's later near a dingo's lair, I took two minutes to see what they might look like. Well they can live in caves like this one. A body being taking to a cave could easily explain why you don't find the body.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIgP3be5Ew
This false claim that something is impossible is a fallacy known as argument from incredulity or argument from lack of imagination. It's a type of argument from ignorance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
False Claim "They were there" and Bad probability.
At 2 minutes he starts on Abarmovic and claiming they were there. I don't know if there's a name for this, but I think of this of fooling yourself by looking at a map.
He equates. "They were in the Australian Outback" with "They were there." I'm sure our Australian friends find this his most ridiculous claim. For others
The Outback covers most of Australia. It neither has a specific size, nor a specific location. Outback is a term that is used for any sparsely populated regions of Australia.
Australia's population is very much concentrated in and around a few cities on the eastern, southern and south-western coast. All of inland Australia and most of north and north-west Australia is generally known as Outback Australia. The Northern Territory, where Ayer's Rock is 548,640 square miles by itself.
He cites a New York Times piece that says they took a year long trip in the outback and they camped near Ayer's rock.......can we see through his claims now?..... He jumps from this to equal. They spent the entire year near Ayer's Rock. Which they didn't and remember, there were eyewitnesses, you don't think funny accented artists wouldn't have been remembered?
He then asks "What are the odds?, not knowing what is exactly what is asking what are the odds about? If you ask me what are the odds of a specific person, Marina Abramovic, being at or near a specific crime in another country, the odds would be astronomical. But that is not the real question. The real question is of all the world events that happened on that day, what are the odds a famous crime would happen and a person nearby went on the become famous.....or even what are odds two events that happened that day might seem significant 30 year later because someone nearby became famous? This are vastly lower probabilities. This is more like What are the odds I may take in step in New Hampshire one day, not what are the odds I may take a step on Pluto.
When you start asking the question correctly, you start getting closer to actually understanding the real probability. We humans are really terrible at probability. There's probably like a trillion human events every single hour on this planet, surely ever day. The idea that two of them match up in a way that makes us say Huh, Weird should not be unexpected.
OMG. He then claims the art piece is about them killing the baby?
@Vindicator
did you see this part? Of course this guy is lying. Not even a question.
Listen this part. Y'all should be able to detect how he is manipulating the facts on the argument by now.
It was performed twice. Once in April 1980 in Amersterdam and once in Dublin in August of 1980. The video that is well known today was performed in front of live audience in Dublin.
ROSC took place every four years from 1967 to 1988. ROSC is a Gaelic word for the "the poetry of vision."
It was performed twice. Once in April 1980 in Amersterdam and once in Dublin in August of 1980. The video that is well known today was performed in front of live audience in Dublin.
Source?
If correct, this still doesn't mean she spent the whole month in Dublin though.
Her book and some of the various sites I just looked up. She had a couple of pieces again in Dublin that she earlier peformed with Ulay.
If correct, this still doesn't mean she spent the whole month in Dublin though.
Of course it doesn't. But this along with the quote from Vogue that her Outback trip started in October 1980 seems pretty definitive, doesn't it? In fact, if you read the original text from the NY Times, it does not say they spent their entire time near Ayer's Rock. ROSC '80 seemed to be going on at least the first half of August.
Dude, the Vogue Piece I linked to is enough. Her Outback Trip started in October 1980. The child was taken in August 1980.
The Vogue Piece does not say her Outback trip started in October 1980. It says:
"The legendary artist spent between October 1980 and March 1981 with the Pitjantjatjara and Pintupi people of the Western Desert."
A few lines later, they quote Abramovic herself saying:
"I’ve visited Australia many times since 1979"
If you are going to get after people for inaccuracy, you really should make sure you are being accurate yourself. It seems like there is a lot of spin going on here.
Her first visit in 1979 was for an art show, the Sydney Biennial. Her second trip to Australia was when she was with the Aborigines and Vogue gives those dates as starting October 1980. She was with nomadic tribes travelling through the Outback.
The part you quote is her talking in 2015.
“I’ve visited Australia many times since 1979 to study Aboriginal culture. I participated in artist residencies and the Sydney Biennale.”
Abramovic first came to Australia in 1979 with her then partner, German artist Uwe Laysiepen – Ulay for short. At the Sydney Biennial, they performed a work called Brink: Ulay walked back and forth along the top of a wall and Abramovic kept pace with his shadow until the sun set.
The following year they returned to spend six months in the Great Victorian Desert with the Pitjantjatjara tribe. Abramovic describes this as a pivotal experience,
She and her collaborator in art as well as love, German artist Frank Uwe Laysiepen ...were invited to participate in the third Sydney Biennale, titled European Dialogue, in 1979. In their first attempt to visit Aboriginal people, they turned up unannounced in Alice Springs with a letter of introduction to the lawyer and activist Phillip Toyne. He sent them away, irritated by their presumption. .....They returned in 1980 on an Australia Council grant and stayed for almost a year, six months of it in the desert, ....... It was her first encounter with a nomadic culture, of people who don't cling to possessions, who take what they need from the land and move on.
She and Ulay hooked up with Pitjantjatjara and Pintupi people and travelled with them: Abramovic with the women, Ulay with the men. "
Cattle stations are just ranches. And aborigines own cattle stations. There are a bunch in the North Territory which is where Ayer's rock is.
They lived for close to a year in Australia, mostly with the Pintupi and Pitjantjatjara tribes near the giant red monolith Uluru and in big Outback cattle stations.
You are misreading this I think. They spent six month in the outback over all. During that time they stayed with these tribes and on big cattle stations. The tribes are nomadic, so what I think the writer is getting at is during their time in the outback sometimes they moved around and sometimes they stayed at ranches. Their year in Australia spanned 1980 and 1981 at the end of their stay they debuted Nightsea Crossing, so at some point they left the outback and went back to the art world.
If you are going to get after people for inaccuracy, you really should make sure you are being accurate yourself. It seems like there is a lot of spin going on here.
I couldn't find any actual evidence in the KofH link that Abramovic was in Ireland in August 1980, and his link says 2013. The Wikipedia article you linked says 1980 Amsterdam for the recording of the video submitted to the Dublin festival, but has no supporting evidence either. The three footnotes say nothing about where she was in August of 1980, and we know she was in Australia by September according to the NYT. Not trying to pick nits, here, but it's weird that the links being given by KofH and Wikipedia don't actually say what those citing them claim they do.
Not sure if this is a fake news type YouTube video designed to fool us all, or if people are just being sloppy.
'A journalist, Steve Brien, wrote a book expounding the guilt theory, published in 1983. (...)
Brien also mentioned a miniature coffin found in the home.
That was also innocent. The Seventh Day Adventists discourage smoking, and the coffin was to take through an audience after anti-smoking lectures, inviting people to deposit their tobacco products.'
Abramovic credits the months spent in quiet remote Australian Aboriginal communities in the 1980s as being one of the major influences on her life's work.
"This really changes our lives, connection with this kind of people," Abramovic explains to AFP of the time she spent with her then partner, German artist Frank Uwe Laysiepen, known as Ulay, in the central Australian desert regions.
They lived for close to a year in Australia, mostly with the Pintupi and Pitjantjatjara tribes near the giant red monolith Uluru and in big Outback cattle stations.
I wonder where these cattle stations where? Did she in fact live near Ayers Rock in August that year or somewhere else?
The Aboriginal "idea of here and now; that everything is happening in the present time" struck a chord with Abramovic, who reached for the same experience in her art.
It ultimately helped her develop the thinking behind her 2010 blockbuster New York performance called "The Artist is Present", in which she sat silent and immobile for seven hours a day, six days a week for three months.
"(When) Aborigines are explaining to us the meaning (of myths), they would always say it's happening now, it's not happening in the past, it's not happening in the future... it's happening now and is always happening now," she explains, retaining a distinctive accent despite being based abroad for years.
"So they knew, that actually in life, the only thing we can rely on is the present because the past
"So they knew, that actually in life, the only thing we can rely on is the present because the past already happened, and the future didn't. And you don't know what's the future. Next second we can all be dead."
"What I learn is this, that every single human being can kill another human being," Abramovic says from Sydney where she has created a series of spaces to engage visitors as part of the Kaldor Public Art Project.
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Hi Ben, thanks for digging this up, this is really very interesting! :-)
I would recommend self-deleting and reposting with an edited headline though - you might want to add a question mark. It is a
very
convincing theory, but still, mere speculation at this point.
I willl flair the post 'Unverified* for the time being.
Of course the witch was there. It makes perfect sense now. And since she came out and talked about her camping trip there during that time, she is essentially erasing the Karma that was connected to her to begin with. This is how that works in their fucked up worlds. This woman is a complete hypocrisy, her “art” and her perverse power, etc. She thinks she wields all this energy and these fucking elitist morons eat that shit up like crazy. She carved pentagrams on her stomach for her live audience and claims to feel no pain so the people think she’s a mystical god. Face palm. How can people be so damn guilable and evil at the same time to even want to believe her “powers”. This poor innocent child sacrificed by this monster in a desert cave. How many others Marina? These families think they can great power by sacrificing their first born (supposed to be son). Sick delusional soulless individuals.
Notice how in this clip, as Johnny Depp/Hunter is doing the Adrenochrome, his partner says that he got the drug from a "Satanist freak" who was convicted of molesting children.
this would be fucking hilarious if it wasnt so goddamn done to the death in australia.
she went missing about a month after i was born.
i grew up hearing about the repeated trials mistrials retrials jailings appeals releases and reversals. This went from 1980 all the way through until 2005.
If you guys wanna be taken seriously...
Stop shoehorning utterly ridiculous fucking shit into old stories.
A dingo stole her fucking kid. It took them 25 years to admit the cops just wanted someone to fucking blame and so pinned it on the family, as was the kind of thing that happened in the late 70s and early 80s trial by media horseshit.
Ironies of ironies...I had read all about this "Dingo Ate My Baby!" about seven years ago while researching coyotes (actual ones, not the traffickers) and their attacks upon humans. Now to find out the connection to Abramovich. Thank you, Ben. Their are no coincidences.
That's so interesting! I've been reconsidering this incident since learning of Fiona Barnett's history. It still hasn't been explained how the baby's unusual black jacket (which had been handknitted by her mother Lindy Chamberlain) came to be discovered years later neatly folded in a cave.
That's exactly the thought that came to me as well. Ritualistic sexual impregnation and occult ritualistic pregnancy, then a final sacrifice of the "chosen" soul. Poor child, but I suppose it could have been worse to grow up being abused in that family.
There was evidence on the seat. Why would you take a baby there? And she kept getting convicted but such a short sentence. Something was up with that. If they thought she REALLY murdered her baby daughter, why so little time. First off, my thought went right to her promising that baby for sacrifice. Was she a breeder and the deal was ok'd before Azaria was born, or did she accept an offer from Maria after the birth, Idk, but it is a real possibility. Too many fingers pointing to Mother Lindy.
Well, actually that seals the deal for me. I don't remember that many children wearing black. and red shoes. Very odd indeed. Really. Red shoes, and MA in the near vicinity should get people wondering.
Exactly. Black, red and white with no other colors are what these monsters wear. Have u ever watched Carolyn Limacos videos on all this stuff? Amazing because I now see Nicky Hilton almost always wearing those colors. If she is being photographed going to any kind of event she ALWAYS wears black red white or one or two or all three of these colors.
Black and red are very trendy colors and lots of people wear them including children. But that outfit isn't something that you dress your baby in for a camping trip. And it's just black, deep black with bright red accents. There is nothing cute or childlike about it.
I'm aware of that. But you can't just judge someone based on the colors they are wearing. I've worn black with red shoes many times and I'm not a satanist. It can be a clue, but it's not everything. I think we have to be careful about jumping to conclusions soley based on something like this because it kind of makes us look a little crazy. But the fact that MA was there at the same time leads me to believe that they either sold her or were involved in some kind of sacrifice.
I'm not trying to deflect the obvious. I understand that some people have red shoes that are made from human skin. I'm just saying that we need to be careful . I don't want researchers to appear "crazy." And no, I don't have red shoes that I wear on special occasions. I'm a girl, I have red shoes that I wear with certain outfits. I probably have well over 100 pairs of shoes. Red shoes, black shoes, greenshoes, silver shoes, gold shoes, brown shoes, etc. You get the picture?
Yeah, and wasn't it Nicky and her daughter in her Instagram, the daughter wearing red shoes? MK all the way. If that little black dress had some trim on it, like Tyrolean style, with maybe ribbon with red yellow and blue flowers and the ribbon was yellow or blue, but no. Red White and Black. Dead Giveaway.
I just drove through them on the freeway. It’s surreal. It’s headed towards “ the Nichols Institute “ how convenient that would be for them , if it burnt down . That’s where they experiment with all the different drugs .
no. he was parodying a woman with a 'stupid' foreign accent who was broadcast all over the world panicking about a baby that had been stolen from a tent and at the time of the broadcast still hadnt been found.
tl;dr an unfunny fucking jew from america was hanging shit on a white person from a different countries pure grief because he thought it sounded funny.
I was thinking the same thing. There have been references and jokes about this for years. They also made movies about this case. Maybe they put these stories in the news and turn them into movies in an attempt to relive their sick crimes. Having us all watch these movies and have it rubbed in our faces is just an added bonus.
Yup! And how about David Letterman asking Trump about his Luxury yacht in 1987 interview '....does it have a pizza oven?' Watch Trump's bewirldement as in 'WTF?!!!'
I saw the same bewilderment you did. It was totally there in the body language. He did agree there was a pizza oven but very quietly as if 'why would you ask that'? He follows it with 'it's got just about everything' as if he is embarrassed to admit it has something as unnecessary as a pizza oven. As if he sees zero significance in the statement aside from its got everything EVEN a dumb old pizza oven when it already had ovens.
well being a foodie myself, normal ovens can kinda suck and there are certain foods that snobs buy, pizza ovens are one of those status symbols, kind of like you won't find indians cooking chicken tikka masala without a tandoor
that being said, I don't think Trump meant pizza for human sacrifice, but maybe David Letterman did...
My family fits that definition and by your way of thinking should have a pizza oven. You will not find a pizza oven in our home nor that of any of our friends. Perhaps pizza ovens are a 'thing' only with a specific demographic within the moneyed society?
I saw one on an HGTV show, it was on this couple's wish list and they did a makeover in order to have one built in their outdoor kitchen. I think it's becoming more popular. I didn't say that people of a certain income should always have one, but it's one of those unnecessary items rich people buy when they feel like it. I imagine if you are Donald Trump you're gonna have several of each luxury item on all your various yachts and properties. I think in this case the fact that he's from New York and NY is famous for pizza could be a reason... but I dunno. I love Pizza and I'm from Texas and I never stopped eating pizza just because pedos like the word pizza. They have a ton of food related code words and I'd have to stop eating all food.
And this brings us back to Jacke Tapper's wife and her favorite dining out venue - Comet PP!!!! And of course we have Newt Gingrich's Freudean Slip - '....he's not member of the cub' - he meant Pizza Club (as did Letterman) Question becomes who is NOT part of it?!
I appreciate the civility. This is the only way we can come together and fight evil. We can't all agree on everything.
BTW - Alex Jones complains about censorship yet lately he only had guests who agreed with him.
Yeah took a while to find that interview because it was actually 88. They don't even show trump's face and he has no bewilderment, and Trump agrees there is in fact a pizza oven.
Under most circumstances and in this sub, absolutely. However, I think this actually may just be something neat - how many boats do you know that not only have an oven, but a specific pizza oven? On a boat?
I don't know - this just doens't seem creepy in any way, not this time, but just IMHO.
It was odd to me at the time even as a kid, that I felt like it was too fake and I wondered how they knew what took the baby and that it ate the baby... now I wonder how a Dingo completely eats a baby and leaves nothing behind for evidence.
This is what they do. Diffuse satanic murder into comedy. Once the issue is shifted into that realm of public consciousness, it's unlikely you'll get a public outcry.
Assuming the baby was taken by humans, ultimately nothing went wrong for the perpetrators. The original verdict was later changed to officially find the dingo did it. Lindy Chamberlain was eventually able to sue for wrongful imprisonment and won millions of dollars in compensation, ending up a comparatively wealthy individual.
▼ think-
Hi Ben, since we were not able to find any proof that Abramovic has been connected to this case, or that she already was in Austsralia at the time of the murder, I will change the flair from 'Unverified' to 'Possible Disinformation'.
Thanks for understanding. :-)
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▼ Pahguk
Lucifarian Meryl Streep made a movie in 1988 about this incident, “A Cry In the Dark”.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0094924/
▼ Indigo-
Did anyone check out the bottom link about top search results?, Azaria: vegan and genuine leather baby and toddler work bag ! WTF , made me think of skin harvesting. Weird.
▼ kazza64
mind .... officially ..... blown
▼ YogSoggoth
Where is the proof that they stared at each other for 7 hours? Looks like a photograph session to me.
▼ Are_we_sure
It was a performance before an audience. It was a famous piece that they repeated about 20 times. There's thousands of eye witnessing.
And she topped that by recreating this during a piece she did in MOMA in NYC, where any museumgoer could line up and sit opposite her. Over 1,500 did during the run the exhibition. She was there every moment the musuem was open. It was a sensation and they made a move about it.
Ulay surprised her and showed up. They hadn't spoken in years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS0Tg0IjCp4
He eventually sued her over royalties. They just made up and are working on a book together.
▼ think-
Oh, you confirm that Spirit Cooking is nonsense. Cool.... /s
Well, when you only heard about her when she did the MOMA performance, you don't really seem to know her work in depth.
▼ Are_we_sure
Yeah. Why do you think the nonsense about Spirit Cooking is not nonsense?
Never claimed to. I do recommend the documentary on her.
▼ Z11Mama
Excellent job of putting together some seemingly random pieces and coming up with something very possible if not probable. That story always seemed odd. Makes total sense now.
▼ pixelkitteh
I grew up hearing about this case (Aussie here :D), honestly... this makes a whole lot more sense to me than the dingo story...
▼ Factfinder2
Interestingly, this Guardian article pinpoints that first performance of "The Gaze" in Australia as the reason for Abramovic's entry into the celebrity world:
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/feb/20/marina-abramovic-in-new-australian-tour-shes-like-the-beatles
"“She holds Australia very dear to her heart – like her artistic, spiritual home. Spending six or seven months in the outback really transformed her art.”
The Gaze, the work that ultimately brought Abramović celebrity status (and celebrity friends, including the rapper Jay-Z) was first performed at the Art Gallery of New South Wales in 1981, Kaldor reminded us, under the title Nightsea Crossing. “[So] Australia in many ways was an anchor to her artistic development.” "
Looks to me like the child was sacrificed to help launch her celebrity career.
Abramovic's Ayers rock camping trip, according to this article, didn't happen until after the baby's death in August 1980:
"...she [Abramovic] shared photos and memories of her time with the Pitjantjatjara and Pintupi people of the Western Desert from October 1980 to March 1981."
Of course she could easily have adjusted the timeline in retropect to avoid suspicion.
▼ Are_we__sure
I think you are reading this wrong. Nightsea Crossing in the 1980's did not bring her into the celebrity world. She was still just in the art word. And Jay-Z was still in the Brooklyn projects and Lady Gaga was watching Madonna videos.
But the gazing she did in Nightsea Crossing she recreated in a piece in NYC in 2010 called The Artist is Present that was also a career retrospective and that catapulted her into the celebrity world. It was a genuine cultural phenomenon. A half a million people came to the museum in 3.5 months.
and this is just silly.
▼ mooteensy
you put matlock to shame OP
▼ SYNCORSWIM
That's a very unusual outfit for a baby. She probably made it because she couldn't find a black dress to buy. It screams satanism.
▼ KnightsofHubris
This is a fantastic use of a lot of conspiracy tropes.
First there is the meaningless definition of connections "Connected to" aka not connected to in any way, but in the area. Wow. Given these rules I am connected to this
http://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/petit.jpg
and to this
https://joewilcox.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/lennon-dead.png
Secondly, the fudging of facts to skew the probability.
AKA a world famous tourist spot that gets 400,000 visitors a year, is on the UNESCO World Heritage Site list, and a place where the near bye resort will be happy to set you up to tour the area on one of these
https://adventuresallaround.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IMG_9806.jpg
or this
https://www.everythingaustralia.com/resources/cache/958x478/1/items ~large/uluru_camels_1.jpg
or this
https://www.ayersrockresort.com.au/-/media/Images/Experiences/Uluru-Segway-Tours/Uluru-Segway-18-Tours-480x480.jpg
Wait! You say the ground is too mundane for you? How about this?
http://www.amazingvacations.in/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/109701aa95544832d45f1b5b1f84331b-balloon-flights-national-parks-blogfeasture.jpg
or maybe one of these?
https://www.ayersrockresort.com.au/-/media/Images/Experiences/PHS/experiences-phs-uluru-480x480.jpg
and the kicker of course is this false claim
Nope. Provably False. Not the same Time.
The trip that inspired the performance written about in the times began months after the death of Azaria Chamberlain.
In August of 1980 Ambramovic was performing these pieces in Europe, Dublin I believe
https://artblart.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/marina-abramovic-et-ulay-web.jpg http://media.li-ma.nl/view/121062.jpg
▼ PedoStomperReturns
I can't believe people actually attend events like the ones she puts on. Rich people are fucked in the head and the majority of them will be burning in hell when they die.
▼ Vindicator
In August of 1980 Ambramovic was performing these pieces in Dublin
https://artblart.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/marina-abramovic-et-ulay-web.jpg
Two problems with this evidence you're giving, KofH. First, the exhibition you cite was in 2013, not 1980 . Secondly, if the performance was done on video, it doesn't really prove she was in Ireland not in Australia.
@think- @ben_matlock
▼ KnightsofHubris
No. You need to read that again.
The 2013 exhibition is for the Art Gallery of Ontario not Dublin and what they are exhibiting is the video of a performance that was recorded in Dublin in 1980. Read the part I quoted from the 2013 show.
Performance for Video August 1980, ROSC’80 Dublin
If you read the rest of catalogue it says this explicitly mentions the performance took place in Dublin 1980. She was in Dublin at sometime in August 1980 and she made this video then.
▼ bayoubelle
She's still an evil bitch. Just not then.
▼ Vindicator
Okay...I see what you are saying. It's in the caption. Thanks for linking to the ROSC 1980 details. :-)
So the Wikipedia article is wrong:
▼ Are_we_sure
Where does it say that? I'm not seeing that.
I think I found out what is going on.
These are both individual works and part of a larger suite of pieces called That Self.
That Self was shown as a film in Amsterdam, also in August 1980 and it included short videos of larger performances.
The four pieces are Point of Contact (1980), Rest Energy (1980), Nature of Mind (1980) and Timeless Point of View (1980)
Here's how the catalog of her Career Retrospective at MOMA describes them. I would consider this researched and definitive.
https://books.google.com/books?id=nhm2Gyak3-YC&pg=PA130&lpg=PA130#v=onepage&q=rosc&f=false
Point of Contact
Performed twice in January/August 1980
A one hour performance and a 6 minute performance for video.
Both in Amsterdam it seems.
Rest Energy
August 1980 Performance, 4 min ROSC '80 Dublin
Nature of Mind
Performed for film, 9 minutes 1980 Marken, Netherlands
Timeless Point of View
performed for film 10 minutes Ijsselmeer, Netherlands
▼ Vindicator
Thanks for digging that up. My previous comment was in error -- I corrected it. Read the links, mixed up the articles with a different post. It sometimes happens when reading every link on every post day in and day out. They blur together.
Any thoughts on the YouTube channel pushing this? Is this sloppiness, wishful thinking, or deliberate disinfo?
▼ KnightsofHubris
In the end does it matter?
That's one thing I've learned by being on these boards. It doesn't really matter why someone is pushing falsehoods, we are still being lied to. Notice that the Commandment doesn't go into you motivation for bearing false witness, it just prohibits it. It doesn't matter if someone is being deliberate about it or it's someone believing it despite the facts or they have mental issues that make coincidences seem like smoking guns or they are they don't actually examine all the evidence, they are all lying to you in a way and they are not trustworthy. You can make exceptions if they are generally trustworthy but sincerely have their facts wrong or if folks are upfront about their motivations and what they know and don't know or if they hedge their claims or make caveats. Those people can be intellectually honest, if they own up to their mistakes. This video is just batshit and I don't care if this guy is being deliberately dishonest or intellectually dishonest what is pushing is shite.
The truth is this woman didn't kill her baby and she wasn't a "breeder." And Mariana Abramovic had nothing whatsoever to do with this woman. And Marina Abramovich is not a witch or Satanist. Her practices are much more in line with Tibetan Buddhism. You already have believe several deeply dishonest things to even entertain this guy's theory...but anyway.
The truth is it was actually a dingo attack. One of the issues with this case was people at the time didn't believe dingos would attack humans, but since then, it's happened over and over and over again.
I have a family member who is prone to panic attacks. Once she saw me checking my pockets and thought I lost my wallet and I showed her I had my wallet and every thing was fine, I was looking for a pen. Over the next few minutes I could see waves of fear wash over her and get big enough that she almost had a full blown panic attack. Over nothing. Over a problem that didn't exist, the wallet wasn't lost. But the cycle had started, she started with a fear that was big enough to overwhelm her circuitry. The chemicals in her brain starting coming and because she was prone to this, the "gates" that hold back those fears couldn't stop it, she was overwhelmed. She has a cognitive glitch. My sincere belief is that folks who believe in vast, global conspiracies have some of these glitches (we all have them at some level, which is why we are not completely logical beings and common logical fallacies are so convincing unless you really stop to examine them. This is why I call them out so often, if you have the language to name them, it becomes a lot easier to spot them. Connecting random dots and making up stories about the connections between those dots is human nature to such a point we don't even realize we are doing it. Our brains are wired for both pattern recognition and storytelling, both have important evolutionary reasons for being.)
I think folks prone to conspiracy often get a bigger "hit" of chemicals in their brain when a pattern is found. Most folks would hear, "Did you know that Marina Abramovic was travelling in the Australian outback during the summer when the dingo ate my baby case happened" and say, Really? Weird. And then they would move on with their day. Others would see this completely random event (And it is completely random) as some significant truth. (big hit of happy brain chemicals) and look for more connections (more happy brain chemicals.) and even weave them into a story. I didn't even look at the video before this comment because I knew it was bullshit. The leap from Marina Abramovic was in the area to Marina Abramovic was involved is just massive. It's like saying if I walk five steps my sixth step will be on Pluto. This is why I commented on the "tropes" or techniques of conspiracy building. And I as watch the video I can see him using these tropes and being at the very least intellectually dishonest.
What this intellectually dishonest video is doing is arguing by closing off other possibilities so that you get this new information shoved into a very narrow framework.
Dishonestly setting the scene.
He starts by claiming this happened in the middle of nowhere, with no other people around, and he does this by showing a photo (one single instant of time) with no one in the background. (He doesn't seem to realize this actually argues against some European artist meeting up with them.) The facts are five other families were also in this camp. But why would he look up the facts when the would most likely ruin his conspiracy video.
https://justice.nt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/205377/azaria-chantel-chamberlain.pdf
Lying about the evidence.
He also lies about what they recovered, claiming that they recovered nothing. The very wikipedia page he has up in his video talks about how much the child's clothing was discussed at trial and how the eyewitness believed Chamberlain was telling the truth? Wait, how could their be eyewitness? He just told us no one was around. I think this indicates active dishonest.
Falsely claiming something is impossible.
1:40 He claims, it's impossible for a human baby to be eaten by dingos and not leave any bones. This is exactly what I mean when I claim he is narrowing the options, slanting how he presents the evidence. For one thing, he knows nothing about dingos. For two, what if they just couldn't find what was left over? He doesn't seem to even consider this. What if the dingos took the baby to some hidden place and ate the baby there.
Since the wikipedia article mentions her clothing was found year's later near a dingo's lair, I took two minutes to see what they might look like. Well they can live in caves like this one. A body being taking to a cave could easily explain why you don't find the body. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIgP3be5Ew
This false claim that something is impossible is a fallacy known as argument from incredulity or argument from lack of imagination. It's a type of argument from ignorance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
False Claim "They were there" and Bad probability.
At 2 minutes he starts on Abarmovic and claiming they were there. I don't know if there's a name for this, but I think of this of fooling yourself by looking at a map.
He equates. "They were in the Australian Outback" with "They were there." I'm sure our Australian friends find this his most ridiculous claim. For others
He cites a New York Times piece that says they took a year long trip in the outback and they camped near Ayer's rock.......can we see through his claims now?..... He jumps from this to equal. They spent the entire year near Ayer's Rock. Which they didn't and remember, there were eyewitnesses, you don't think funny accented artists wouldn't have been remembered?
He then asks "What are the odds?, not knowing what is exactly what is asking what are the odds about? If you ask me what are the odds of a specific person, Marina Abramovic, being at or near a specific crime in another country, the odds would be astronomical. But that is not the real question. The real question is of all the world events that happened on that day, what are the odds a famous crime would happen and a person nearby went on the become famous.....or even what are odds two events that happened that day might seem significant 30 year later because someone nearby became famous? This are vastly lower probabilities. This is more like What are the odds I may take in step in New Hampshire one day, not what are the odds I may take a step on Pluto.
When you start asking the question correctly, you start getting closer to actually understanding the real probability. We humans are really terrible at probability. There's probably like a trillion human events every single hour on this planet, surely ever day. The idea that two of them match up in a way that makes us say Huh, Weird should not be unexpected.
OMG. He then claims the art piece is about them killing the baby? @Vindicator did you see this part? Of course this guy is lying. Not even a question.
Listen this part. Y'all should be able to detect how he is manipulating the facts on the argument by now.
▼ think-
I'm afraid that KoH is right, Vin.
ROSC might have been an art festival perhaps?
▼ KnightsofHubris
It was performed twice. Once in April 1980 in Amersterdam and once in Dublin in August of 1980. The video that is well known today was performed in front of live audience in Dublin.
ROSC took place every four years from 1967 to 1988. ROSC is a Gaelic word for the "the poetry of vision."
▼ think-
Source?
If correct, this still doesn't mean she spent the whole month in Dublin though.
@Vindicator
▼ KnightsofHubris
Her book and some of the various sites I just looked up. She had a couple of pieces again in Dublin that she earlier peformed with Ulay.
Of course it doesn't. But this along with the quote from Vogue that her Outback trip started in October 1980 seems pretty definitive, doesn't it? In fact, if you read the original text from the NY Times, it does not say they spent their entire time near Ayer's Rock. ROSC '80 seemed to be going on at least the first half of August.
▼ Vindicator
Do you suppose you could hook us up with links to "some of the various sites" you just looked up?
If this YouTuber is spreading fake news, we need to be able to document it.
▼ KnightsofHubris
Dude, the Vogue Piece I linked to is enough. Her Outback Trip started in October 1980. The child was taken in August 1980.
It's just amusing that not only can you account for her in August 1980 she was performing one of her most famous pieces live.
I didn't link to them because no site had the full story....none of the sites made sense on their own.
You can look in her book and search for Dublin. Rest, Energy was performed live in Dublin. https://books.google.com/books?id=RxiICwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Walk+Through+Walls:+A+Memoir+(Hardcover)&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi5jZnV5-DcAhWOUt8KHRlgB7oQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=dublin&f=false
▼ Vindicator
The Vogue Piece does not say her Outback trip started in October 1980. It says:
A few lines later, they quote Abramovic herself saying:
If you are going to get after people for inaccuracy, you really should make sure you are being accurate yourself. It seems like there is a lot of spin going on here.
@think-
▼ Are_we_sure
Here's the timeline.
Her first visit in 1979 was for an art show, the Sydney Biennial. Her second trip to Australia was when she was with the Aborigines and Vogue gives those dates as starting October 1980. She was with nomadic tribes travelling through the Outback.
The part you quote is her talking in 2015.
“I’ve visited Australia many times since 1979 to study Aboriginal culture. I participated in artist residencies and the Sydney Biennale.”
Here's more press from Australia
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/art-and-design/marina-abramovic-performance-art-is-unconditional-love-20150609-ghjna5.html
https://www.afr.com/brand/afr-magazine/performance-artist-marina-abramovic-at-the-cutting-edge-20150218-13hwi1
▼ think-
Yes, and as an article I quoted above says, the time she didn't travel with the Aboriginal people, she spent at Outback cattle stations.
So - since we don't know where these cattle stations were - or do we? - we still don't know where she spent the rest of her time in Australia.
We would need the proper dates for the several performances at ROSC, and info about when she actually left for Australia.
@Vindicator
▼ Are_we_sure
Cattle stations are just ranches. And aborigines own cattle stations. There are a bunch in the North Territory which is where Ayer's rock is.
You are misreading this I think. They spent six month in the outback over all. During that time they stayed with these tribes and on big cattle stations. The tribes are nomadic, so what I think the writer is getting at is during their time in the outback sometimes they moved around and sometimes they stayed at ranches. Their year in Australia spanned 1980 and 1981 at the end of their stay they debuted Nightsea Crossing, so at some point they left the outback and went back to the art world.
If you really want to pin down were they were you may want to look up where these nomadic tribes lived. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pintupi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitjantjatjara
Ayer's rock seems to within Pitjantjatjara land while the others seems to be to the North and West.
▼ Shizy
So you're also @KnightsofHubris
Nice to see you outed yourself twice today!
▼ think-
Yes, he is.
▼ think-
Yep.
▼ think-
@Vindicator @KnightsofHubris : please see my edit in parent above.
▼ Vindicator
I couldn't find any actual evidence in the KofH link that Abramovic was in Ireland in August 1980, and his link says 2013. The Wikipedia article you linked says 1980 Amsterdam for the recording of the video submitted to the Dublin festival, but has no supporting evidence either. The three footnotes say nothing about where she was in August of 1980, and we know she was in Australia by September according to the NYT. Not trying to pick nits, here, but it's weird that the links being given by KofH and Wikipedia don't actually say what those citing them claim they do.
Not sure if this is a fake news type YouTube video designed to fool us all, or if people are just being sloppy.
▼ think-
I don't know either.
▼ think-
Hmm...
Seventh Day Adventists with a black sense of humour?
▼ think-
'Aboriginal experience inspires artist abramovic decades on'
▼ LightlyToasted
Interesting -- archived the NYT article: http://archive.is/uIU17
▼ AssFaceSandwich2
Wow, I had to go see it to believe it.
▼ Gorillion
Super weird if true.
▼ letsdothis2
Did you mean
per chance?
https://azariabrand.com/pages/about-us
Company is run by Spencer and McKenna Peterson
He previously worked for podium.com https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podium_ (company)
Online review startup Podium has raised a fat new $32 million round from Accel and GV - https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/09/online-review-startup-podium-has-raised-a-fat-new-32-million-round-from-accel-and-gv/
They are/were missionaries too for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
▼ think-
This is the Australia National Museum's website with a pic of the dress and the shoes, shown in the vid:
http://www.nma.gov.au/collections/highlights/azaria-chamberlains-dress
Interestingly, already in the 1980s, the public speculated that the child might have been sacrificed (see link above):
▼ think-
Hi Ben, thanks for digging this up, this is really very interesting! :-)
I would recommend self-deleting and reposting with an edited headline though - you might want to add a question mark. It is a very convincing theory, but still, mere speculation at this point.
I willl flair the post 'Unverified* for the time being.
Please keep up the excellent work! :-) :-)
runs away ...
▼ KnightsofHubris
I just debunked it as Abramovic was not there at the time. See my comment.
▼ Truthseeker3000
Of course the witch was there. It makes perfect sense now. And since she came out and talked about her camping trip there during that time, she is essentially erasing the Karma that was connected to her to begin with. This is how that works in their fucked up worlds. This woman is a complete hypocrisy, her “art” and her perverse power, etc. She thinks she wields all this energy and these fucking elitist morons eat that shit up like crazy. She carved pentagrams on her stomach for her live audience and claims to feel no pain so the people think she’s a mystical god. Face palm. How can people be so damn guilable and evil at the same time to even want to believe her “powers”. This poor innocent child sacrificed by this monster in a desert cave. How many others Marina? These families think they can great power by sacrificing their first born (supposed to be son). Sick delusional soulless individuals.
▼ PedoStomperReturns
Not to mention that Marina and just about everyone she associates with is most likely high as shit on ADRENOCHROME twenty-five hours a day.
Fear & Loathing - Adrenochrome scene
Notice how in this clip, as Johnny Depp/Hunter is doing the Adrenochrome, his partner says that he got the drug from a "Satanist freak" who was convicted of molesting children.
▼ i_scream_trucks
this would be fucking hilarious if it wasnt so goddamn done to the death in australia.
she went missing about a month after i was born.
i grew up hearing about the repeated trials mistrials retrials jailings appeals releases and reversals. This went from 1980 all the way through until 2005.
If you guys wanna be taken seriously...
Stop shoehorning utterly ridiculous fucking shit into old stories.
A dingo stole her fucking kid. It took them 25 years to admit the cops just wanted someone to fucking blame and so pinned it on the family, as was the kind of thing that happened in the late 70s and early 80s trial by media horseshit.
▼ NoPatience4Libs
Mind blown
▼ AssFaceSandwich2
The Devil wears Prada. Red Prada, just like Streep and Tony Podesta.
▼ waxdino
I honestly never knew that was a real case :( I thought it was just a joke, a reference from a movie or something.
▼ Mammy
Ironies of ironies...I had read all about this "Dingo Ate My Baby!" about seven years ago while researching coyotes (actual ones, not the traffickers) and their attacks upon humans. Now to find out the connection to Abramovich. Thank you, Ben. Their are no coincidences.
▼ GeorgeT
That is big! These pedo satanists sure do have tentacles in every corner of the globe.
▼ pmichel
Well, that is certainly interesting.
▼ GeorgeT
I am from OZ. Very famous case!!!! Wow! David Icke called OZ the Pedo/trafficking haven. Gigantic expanse of desert! No tracks.
▼ 3141592653
So oz is real?
Lol
▼ think-
LOL
▼ SeeHear
Have you ever seen “Top of the Lake”?
▼ GeorgeT
No. What's it about?
▼ wtf_is_happening
That's so interesting! I've been reconsidering this incident since learning of Fiona Barnett's history. It still hasn't been explained how the baby's unusual black jacket (which had been handknitted by her mother Lindy Chamberlain) came to be discovered years later neatly folded in a cave.
▼ kazza64
i grew up in australia and this case never made sense until now
▼ 3141592653
Reminds me of james woods starring in that travesty called "the indictment" about discrediting child survivors of ritual sexual abuse
▼ PedoStomperReturns
They had to really drive home the "Satanic Panic" meme because McMartin was waking up a lot of people.
▼ 3141592653
Very true
▼ i_scream_trucks
The only people shamed were the media and NT police for the utter circus and clusterfuck they created.
▼ un1ty
That's exactly the thought that came to me as well. Ritualistic sexual impregnation and occult ritualistic pregnancy, then a final sacrifice of the "chosen" soul. Poor child, but I suppose it could have been worse to grow up being abused in that family.
▼ carmencita
There was evidence on the seat. Why would you take a baby there? And she kept getting convicted but such a short sentence. Something was up with that. If they thought she REALLY murdered her baby daughter, why so little time. First off, my thought went right to her promising that baby for sacrifice. Was she a breeder and the deal was ok'd before Azaria was born, or did she accept an offer from Maria after the birth, Idk, but it is a real possibility. Too many fingers pointing to Mother Lindy.
▼ ben_matlock
very unusual indeed, especially so when one includes the matching red shoes
▼ EffYouJohnPodesta
omg that dress... is so cute... minus the satanist color scheme I used to love those colors together before I knew what they were really about
▼ dias17se
how do you know for a fact she was wearing those ?
▼ ben_matlock
I don't. Never said she was. Just speculation based on the precious comment and other articles I've seen online http://www.nma.gov.au/collections/highlights/azaria-chamberlains-dress
▼ ThaliaC
Azaria was not wearing that outfit when she was taken by the dingo
▼ eucalyptus_spearmint
"Azaria was not wearing that outfit when she was taken by the dingo" I laughed so hard at that...spit soda everywhere... 😂
▼ ThaliaC
Don't know where you got that photo but Azaria was dressed in white including a white matinee jacket
▼ carmencita
Well, actually that seals the deal for me. I don't remember that many children wearing black. and red shoes. Very odd indeed. Really. Red shoes, and MA in the near vicinity should get people wondering.
▼ Truthseeker3000
Exactly. Black, red and white with no other colors are what these monsters wear. Have u ever watched Carolyn Limacos videos on all this stuff? Amazing because I now see Nicky Hilton almost always wearing those colors. If she is being photographed going to any kind of event she ALWAYS wears black red white or one or two or all three of these colors.
▼ SYNCORSWIM
Black and red are very trendy colors and lots of people wear them including children. But that outfit isn't something that you dress your baby in for a camping trip. And it's just black, deep black with bright red accents. There is nothing cute or childlike about it.
▼ YogSoggoth
Hand knit? Who does that since the 60's? Red shoes is a symbol!
▼ Truthseeker3000
Yes but they are occult colors worn together if u look at elitists. The colors have symbology and meaning.
▼ SYNCORSWIM
I'm aware of that. But you can't just judge someone based on the colors they are wearing. I've worn black with red shoes many times and I'm not a satanist. It can be a clue, but it's not everything. I think we have to be careful about jumping to conclusions soley based on something like this because it kind of makes us look a little crazy. But the fact that MA was there at the same time leads me to believe that they either sold her or were involved in some kind of sacrifice.
▼ NoBS
So you have red only shoes that you wear for "special" occasions?
If not, why did you attempt to deflect the obvious by including your black and red shoes?
▼ SYNCORSWIM
I'm not trying to deflect the obvious. I understand that some people have red shoes that are made from human skin. I'm just saying that we need to be careful . I don't want researchers to appear "crazy." And no, I don't have red shoes that I wear on special occasions. I'm a girl, I have red shoes that I wear with certain outfits. I probably have well over 100 pairs of shoes. Red shoes, black shoes, greenshoes, silver shoes, gold shoes, brown shoes, etc. You get the picture?
▼ carmencita
Yeah, and wasn't it Nicky and her daughter in her Instagram, the daughter wearing red shoes? MK all the way. If that little black dress had some trim on it, like Tyrolean style, with maybe ribbon with red yellow and blue flowers and the ribbon was yellow or blue, but no. Red White and Black. Dead Giveaway.
▼ think-
Yep.
▼ carmencita
I still can't get that pic out of my mind. Just like Chrissy Teigen. Make great GFFs.
▼ derram
https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=GaCNSAQT20k&t=12s :
https://archive.fo/I78Ib :
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▼ Cc1914
Whoa ! So the whole Seinfeld joke about the dingo eating the baby was connected to MA the whole time ?! That’s wht it looks like to me .
▼ Blacksmith21
Didn't Jerry marry a 17 yo way back when?
▼ think-
Err...which joke? Sorry, don't know it. Could you please elaborate? Thanks! :-)
▼ Cc1914
This one https://youtu.be/sYTIGXvc88Y
▼ think-
Thank you! :-)
▼ Cc1914
Your welcome 🙂 hey have you heard about the “ holy fire “ in Cali ?
▼ think-
Yep, I've heard about them!
▼ Cc1914
I just drove through them on the freeway. It’s surreal. It’s headed towards “ the Nichols Institute “ how convenient that would be for them , if it burnt down . That’s where they experiment with all the different drugs .
▼ KnightsofHubris
It's an impersonation of Meryl Streep in the movie about this case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coPevaETtnM
▼ KnightsofHubris
This video is a really good overview of the case and how widespread the accent joke was in the US. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwd0iomlM1Y
▼ Shizy
Are you sure?
▼ i_scream_trucks
no. he was parodying a woman with a 'stupid' foreign accent who was broadcast all over the world panicking about a baby that had been stolen from a tent and at the time of the broadcast still hadnt been found.
tl;dr an unfunny fucking jew from america was hanging shit on a white person from a different countries pure grief because he thought it sounded funny.
▼ Oh_Well_ian
Yep... this shows just how deep the Cult goes.
It takes a media, movies, actors, police and a court system to spin a yarn like this...
▼ Shizy
I was thinking the same thing. There have been references and jokes about this for years. They also made movies about this case. Maybe they put these stories in the news and turn them into movies in an attempt to relive their sick crimes. Having us all watch these movies and have it rubbed in our faces is just an added bonus.
▼ GeorgeT
Yup! And how about David Letterman asking Trump about his Luxury yacht in 1987 interview '....does it have a pizza oven?' Watch Trump's bewirldement as in 'WTF?!!!'
▼ Z11Mama
I saw the same bewilderment you did. It was totally there in the body language. He did agree there was a pizza oven but very quietly as if 'why would you ask that'? He follows it with 'it's got just about everything' as if he is embarrassed to admit it has something as unnecessary as a pizza oven. As if he sees zero significance in the statement aside from its got everything EVEN a dumb old pizza oven when it already had ovens.
▼ EffYouJohnPodesta
well being a foodie myself, normal ovens can kinda suck and there are certain foods that snobs buy, pizza ovens are one of those status symbols, kind of like you won't find indians cooking chicken tikka masala without a tandoor
that being said, I don't think Trump meant pizza for human sacrifice, but maybe David Letterman did...
▼ Z11Mama
My family fits that definition and by your way of thinking should have a pizza oven. You will not find a pizza oven in our home nor that of any of our friends. Perhaps pizza ovens are a 'thing' only with a specific demographic within the moneyed society?
▼ EffYouJohnPodesta
I saw one on an HGTV show, it was on this couple's wish list and they did a makeover in order to have one built in their outdoor kitchen. I think it's becoming more popular. I didn't say that people of a certain income should always have one, but it's one of those unnecessary items rich people buy when they feel like it. I imagine if you are Donald Trump you're gonna have several of each luxury item on all your various yachts and properties. I think in this case the fact that he's from New York and NY is famous for pizza could be a reason... but I dunno. I love Pizza and I'm from Texas and I never stopped eating pizza just because pedos like the word pizza. They have a ton of food related code words and I'd have to stop eating all food.
▼ GeorgeT
And this brings us back to Jacke Tapper's wife and her favorite dining out venue - Comet PP!!!! And of course we have Newt Gingrich's Freudean Slip - '....he's not member of the cub' - he meant Pizza Club (as did Letterman) Question becomes who is NOT part of it?!
▼ PedoStomperReturns
Hardly anyone. You aren't ALLOWED to become famous unless you eat'a da' pizza.
▼ 73639372
I disagree
▼ GeorgeT
I appreciate the civility. This is the only way we can come together and fight evil. We can't all agree on everything. BTW - Alex Jones complains about censorship yet lately he only had guests who agreed with him.
▼ HST
Yeah took a while to find that interview because it was actually 88. They don't even show trump's face and he has no bewilderment, and Trump agrees there is in fact a pizza oven.
https://youtu.be/a8j-fiauejQ
▼ un1ty
I like how humble he seems - could be a superb acting job, but he genuinely seems to be humble.
Also, there's nothing strange or odd about this exchange.
▼ PedoStomperReturns
Asking someone if they have a pizza oven in their house, knowing what we know, is suspect.
▼ un1ty
Under most circumstances and in this sub, absolutely. However, I think this actually may just be something neat - how many boats do you know that not only have an oven, but a specific pizza oven? On a boat?
I don't know - this just doens't seem creepy in any way, not this time, but just IMHO.
▼ HST
I agree, perfectly straightforward exchange.
And yes, superbly humble
▼ Nana66
It was odd to me at the time even as a kid, that I felt like it was too fake and I wondered how they knew what took the baby and that it ate the baby... now I wonder how a Dingo completely eats a baby and leaves nothing behind for evidence.
▼ Shizy
If they are anything like coyotes, which I'm assuming they are, they leave nothing behind.
▼ 3141592653
Totally, if there actually were a dingo involved, it would more likely be trying to save a kid from these sickos! Only half joking
▼ GeorgeT
It made made no sense! Now it makes sense!
▼ Scablifter
Curiouser and curiouser....
▼ nzmc
Kill little baby
Blame it on innocent dog
What could go wrong
▼ Sarevok
Joke about it on national tv.
Sick.
▼ IIJOSEPHXII
This is what they do. Diffuse satanic murder into comedy. Once the issue is shifted into that realm of public consciousness, it's unlikely you'll get a public outcry.
Make 'em laugh as they say.
▼ PedoStomperReturns
"This is what they do. Diffuse satanic murder into comedy."
The Rock "I Eat Children"
▼ wtf_is_happening
Assuming the baby was taken by humans, ultimately nothing went wrong for the perpetrators. The original verdict was later changed to officially find the dingo did it. Lindy Chamberlain was eventually able to sue for wrongful imprisonment and won millions of dollars in compensation, ending up a comparatively wealthy individual.
▼ Sarevok
Was she "wrongfully imprisoned" and the lawsuit a legal manner to funnel her the money?
▼ carmencita
Yes, the dog ate my homework theory. Never works.