carmencita

I have found 2 other sites reporting this. But they are small. We need to make sure this goes viral. The pope should be outed as a hunter of a Holy Man, which he is not.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3685866/posts

http://angelqueen.org/2018/09/07/the-hunt-for-vigano-vatican-spies-or-hitmen-tracking-whistleblower/

I am not on other sites and do not blog elsewhere, but please, those that do, please spread the word.

Vindicator

Thanks for the additional links, carm.

carmencita

YW, Well, I just want people to know we must spread this around.

carmencita

If anything, with the release of the Grand Jury and all else that has transpired, including jorge the devil scouring the earth for Vigano, it has only strengthened my faith.

Gilderoy

Unbelievable events. The Vatican, however, continues with its old play book of shooting the messenger. I imagine Abp Vigano has even more damning stuff which they want to get their hands on, or they want to shut him up permanently. I think they have to personally hand him a letter with their claims before they can suspend him. That is why bad priests often fled from dioceses before a bishop can personally confront them.

In other news, George Neumayr is reporting that Cardinal Wuerl has banned him from the premises of the Cathedral in Washington.

carmencita

What should this tell us?

A pair of VH-3D “White Top” helicopters, referred to as Marine One while the President is on-board and used exclusively for White House executive airlifts, moved the Pope from JFK International to the Manhattan’s Wall Street heliport early this evening.

Gilderoy

Me, too. I think we're about to see some really apocalyptic events. If the internet breaks down soon, know that all of you are in my thoughts and prayers. Love to you all. You are the bravest, strongest, toughest people I know.

carmencita

You have just made me realize that the break down of the internet is a real possibility. He can make it happen. If they find him no real truth will want to be told. I am hoping for Witness Protection of some sort. I have to agree with you the bravest, strongest, toughest. Let us all pray for his safety and for ours.

carmencita

I am praying for Abp. Vigano's safety. This man has the Courage of 1K men. I know that he knew what his accusations against the pope would unleash. The Rabid Dog of the Vatican. I am hoping someone will be able to take Vigano into some type of Witness Protection Program or Asylum. Please pray, for the fury of jorge bergoglio has no bounds. He has wormed his way to the top as the ruler of the RCC through lying, crime and who knows what else. We should fear for the life of Vigano. They came for Malachi Martin and his friends said he was found with wooden stakes in his neck. Our Father who art in heaven........We are pleading for the life of Abp. Vigano.

septimasexta

AMEN! This godly man chose good over evil. He already has Eternal Life. The Lord will keep him on the earth as long as he needs to. Perhaps Jeff Sessions is protecting him? We do have diplomatic relations with the Vatican....

carmencita

The problem is that the pope can request our help to chase him down. I hope we are on the right side with this. I am hoping he has friends that will keep him safe but they surely do not have the equipment and arms that the pope's army has. This is scaring me to death. I am praying and praying yesterday and today. I have Special Prayers planned for today. I hope to God you are right.

kazza64

the pope was served by local law enforcers in july and his bodyguards roughed up the two officers doing it they were held for two days and finally released after their lawyers got involved if the pope hides in the vatican i dont think they can do much to convict him of child trafficking because the vatican is an independent country and so is london and washington dc these pedos are way ahead of us

Vindicator

the pope was served by local law enforcers in july and his bodyguards roughed up the two officers doing it they were held for two days

Really? Got a link? That's interesting.

adaya

I don’t want to publicly ask about Underground Railroad possibilities, but Jesus help him and keep him safe

Scary. Does the Pope send Swiss Guard? hire killers? Use other countries’ alphabet agencies? Somehow seems creepier that I can’t exactly picture... https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pope-has-a-small-but-deadly-army-of-elite-warriors-1733268646

1Iron_Curtain

They are trying to control things far too much and being vulnerable should be the first thing they should be doing rather then sneaking around things and beating around the bush and creating a perimeter around which to manipulate the public and enforce their will. This testifies to how tyrannical the Vatican has become.

They are not helping themselves and only proving themselves to be extremely, extremely corrupt. I feel bad for Catholics, because they deserve better. They should never have elected a Jesuit Latin American as Pope. Never. Its just bad for business and why this is all happening.

Vindicator

They should never have elected a Jesuit Latin American as Pope.

Unfortunately, lay Catholics have no say in the selection of bishops, cardinals or the pope. Or even of their parish priests, for that matter. This is a governance structure that goes back to the Roman Empire...all the plebs can do is riot in the streets.

1Iron_Curtain

Why should they be allowed to? I think the Catholic Church's rigid structuralism is not only going to get them, but get them hard with all the deconstructive madness they have embraced. I think this is what happens when you ground your truth as the only truth and it becomes very troublesome to say the least.

Its hard to do this kind of stuff and why a certain kind of "Unitarian Nietszcheanism" is needed to at least put things in context for not only the individual, but also family and group structures in society. The main question is does God exist and does the current standing of Christianity have validity.

It seems Jesus existed, although some question it, which makes it very difficult to say. What do you think of Anslem's Ontological Proof? I have looked through others and they are not that convincing. God of the Gaps argument is about as stupid as it gets and Pascal's Wager is fraudulent and a way to send you broke.

Vindicator

I wish I had time for a deep dive into these theological and philosophical topics, 1Iron. :-)

I will say that I think it would be illogical and foolish to scoff at any set of teachings that millions of human beings have found valuable enough that they have chosen to live their lives by them across numerous cultures over millennia, despite often extreme challenges.

this is what happens when you ground your truth as the only truth and it becomes very troublesome to say the least.

Truth is generally troublesome, LOL. Conversation is utterly pointless, though, if we all have our own truth. I will never understand the point of relativism; it makes no sense, other than to confuse and pacify people and make them easier to control.

The main question is does God exist and does the current standing of Christianity have validity.

What does "the current standing of Christianity" mean and by what criteria would you judge it's validity?

It seems Jesus existed, although some question it, which makes it very difficult to say.

There is a piece of physical evidence strongly supporting both the historical reality of Jesus, and his claims of supernatural power. It's the single most scientifically studied artifact in human history, a point on which there is almost a total media blackout (including within most of the Catholic church) which many have tried and failed to debunk, and yet none have been able to reproduce it. It's worth researching.

1Iron_Curtain

I don't think the argument of public consensus generates enough reasoning to validate a system of belief. I think it is justifiable when there are grounds for it and based on certain symbolism and language structure. I understand the importance of Christianity as an anthropomorphic and materialistic structure that is inverted into a general schemata of thought that just can't be explained(the irrationalist aspect of Christianity is central to it and feeds back into a kind of Third-Worldism).

That said this is quite complex and not to be understood in this kind of manner, because of how essential it is for humans to have all things tied down to needing to have something anthropomorphized and materialized, but the main thing is how does one swing it back to a certain mode of truth and then go about describing that truth. I think ultimately it comes down to a certain of instinctualism, animalism, and obviously dependency on language constructs that relegates itself to the concept, so there is an appreciation of the abstract in the material and the Trinitarian even in the material, but I don't know how to explain it and certainly that is why I stressed Anslem's Cosmological Argument. I think the Truth is pretty obvious at times, but how do you tie it back into a higher logic of thought/intelligent design? I don't think we can that is where the faith part comes into handy. I'd say its safer and better to believe it because of how enriching it can be to one's life and how it can lead one to live a moral life and live a life tied down to reality. In this sense and when you fit things into a rewired Cosmological Argument then you have a chance to make things work, so I think a proof for God can be rendered in this context in an indirect/"symbolic" and referential sense.

It does not need to be formulated though, but constantly referenced to and which we work our knowledge around in a context that fits into a kind of appreciation of the objective as perceived from the point of the subjective and the "subjective" being worked towards the objective. Truth is pretty easy at this point, but it is paradoxical, but we use simple terms to explain it and then we retreat from it and let it work in the silence of our hearts. Relativism is flawed too, because its the belief that things revolve around reason, but reason is supposed to be the engine of faith and faith should work around reason and reason should always attempt to point back at it.

I think the current standing of Christianity is that it is too open to Third-Worldism, rather then taking a more open-ended approach and it is about a kind of bleeding heart mentality where everything needs to profess their guilt for being white in a certain sense. I think Christian theology is extraordinarily tyrannical and this allows it to be socially engineered at will in my opinion. I ultimately think its best to have a multi-integrative and multi-dimensional approach to truth, where truth is simple, but there are many ways to it and each has its own unique salvational trek. God is a God of love in this context and pours his grace out on the whole of humanity, but they all must work for it and do so in some sense in their daily living and their daily being. Somethings can be quite relativistic to be honest. I don't think Christianity is invalid in terms of what it represents, nor when we consider the message of Jesus/Gospels the Catholic Church would represent the core of the truth, but it seems rather mysterious like for something like this to be considered the grounds of truth. Maybe God works this way? I don't know.

I am not God and all I can do is have faith, but having father in the reason of others is not something that is acceptable, but dare I remove myself from it either. I say not. In this context, I think Catholicism is pretty legitimate and valid, but the fact that it validates itself as true because formally and spiritually it is correct or valid does make it sound in terms of structure, dynamics, and the general natural cycle and the spiritualities that have arisen out of that. I suppose one could say Jesus/The Gospels were meant for everyone in this context and indeed he might have been, but how does this explain the categories of people's religious experience does not conform to this particular form of Jesus existence, but represents him in a multitude of ways that distort or corrupt Jesus' existence? It does not mean Jesus does not exist or is not valid, but ultimately at the end of the day it does not correspond appropriately with common sense and our general understanding of nature. I guess we will leave this one up to the Gods/Trinitarian form. It is not something for me to answer, just like the question of God, although I think that it is simpler and clearer and I assert it to be true within myself and try my best to radiate this back to humanity in my good works, being gracious, and being charitable. I think this is all how it should work. I have some other ideas, if you want to hear them, but I think in many ways they are more of practical purport and work back into that structure and ground themselves on the non-I(God) and the denial of the I, as part of a process of internal resistance.

The main thing we need not do is project ourselves as God back into the realm of God and this can be hard to do and I think its called the process of life and recognizing ourselves as mere mortals, as mere humans, as all too much like animals. One must be a machine for God in the end and all work in the direction of conceptualizing the whole faith/reason argument in a procedural manner, but one that engages the larger community and Christianity has Balkanized and lost its communalism. Can you give me the link to the site? I think acknowledging Jesus' power is important, but I think personalism, interpersonalism, intersubjectivity, emergentism, and expressionism are not good things, but rather see Jesus as the grand artist and have an impressionistic understanding of him that ties back into reality, but from within that standpoint points back to something greater than ourselves and that those ideas we conceive are in fact embodied in ideas that we can neither categorize or relate back to the forms of existence, but in fact embodies the process and civilization of humanity in a form that emanates back to a primordial form of existence and then back to what Teilhard Du Chardin called the Omega Point, but the Omega point always comes back to the person/the individual and works back into the greater humanity and back there to some great distant and scattered nothingness. This is interesting though to me and I guess if we have some sort of consolation it is that Goethe said that all points back to the Cross(what he is meant by this is anything, but certainly a kind of figurative pointing back in ancient Germanic cultures to the form of Jesus' actual existence in some form of divination and almost extraterrestrial terrain).

In the end, it comes down to Divine Revelation and Teleological concerns and that is something that only the Trinitarian form can reveal to us and ultimately Jesus, which is the crux of it. I don't think its worth debunking Christianity or God or either breaking it down to an either/or kind of scenario, I think it is far more complicated than that and if it is not true then one might as well live a good life trying to believe in it and incorporate it into their practical/pragmatic considerations in life.

I prefer a kind of integrative Emergentism of consciousness to test where things are to work, along with a certain kind of Remotism and working it from that direction towards a greater Cosmotology.

Vindicator

Well, I doubt you will ever get to the meat of Christianity with the ship of your intellect encrusted with such a reef of barnacles as all of these -isms and words. Christ was quite clear. He said "I Am the Way." "Pick up the Cross and follow me."

You know one thing I've never seen mentioned in any article about the inexplicable Shroud of Turin? The fact that the cloth is soiled with dirt from the skinned knees and the bottoms of the feet of the tortured body it once covered. How do I know? Because I went to see it, with my own eyes. You should research it. It's quite intriguing -- especially the lengths they have gone to to keep it from the public.

1Iron_Curtain

Well, good analogy, and the whole approach to defining Christianity, by certain terminologies does not help explain it whatsoever. That said, there is always a higher order logic at work that we cannot fit into an anthropomorphized understanding of Christianity and when it becomes materialized it becomes problematic, but there is a complex kind of symbolism at stake and the conceptualization of it can be only grounded in a certain kind active and internal pursuit of representational understanding of reality from the perspective of the other and Jesus serves as this medium, or so they say and from a point where there is a desire to sacrifice oneself for the other, which can only be remediated through a certain kind of practicality.

You are right that trying to conceptualize it out is null and void, but trying to fit into the inner life and then working it out towards a kind of interpretative model that grounds the forms of the mind and reality is indeed an important thing, but we maybe will never come to a crystallized understanding of how it works which is why I believe in a certain kind of process epistemology and any kind of canonical form that evolves outside of it should arise not to meet specific circumstances or a broader group categorization, but rather a kind of appreciation of the schemata in the form of an appreciation for the otherworldly and nature arching towards the heavenly heights, and a kind of appreciation for non-categorization of the categorical(sort of a Nietszchean in reverse directed towards finding God in the anthropomorphic, in the events, situations, and laws of the past, and a kind of philosophizing of the rational and how it fits back into metaphysical and theological understandings and how this revolves around the anthropomorphic, and finally an appreciation for the sublime and working this towards a more communal understanding of humanity and that things such as ecclesiology and intersubjectivity are not necessary for grounding it, but rather a complex form of symbolism that one can only interpret as they will.

I think the Cross is important but more so should be a projection of the mind towards which we work towards in the undulating and scattered process of time and our working towards this should help to mediate such a phenomenon towards the horizon of being and this should be ineffable and workable no matter what. The Shroud of Turin is interesting. They say that it came supposedly from Syria/The Middle-East into Italy during the period of Humanism, or perhaps I am wrong. They say the clothe came from a variety of different places, which means that whoever the person that was tied to this clothe was considered a very important person in fact, because usually people that were crucified were generally not buried after they were crucified. This seems to fit into the person of Jesus as mentioned in the Bible. They did find out that the carbon dating done on it had tested it as existing going back to the 4th century to Medieval period(I forget which), but then they retested it and found out that it was mistaken and found out it probably went back to the time of Jesus. Its so hard to say who Jesus represented though. The Gospels shed some light, but how authoritative are the Gospels and if they are why should we place such a high authoritative place on them. I don't know and its good as a medium of interpretation and living the right life and it seems to have a very high universal value system, but I am not sure what greater practical or metaphysical value that it could have, except at a very brutish kind of level and then things could get spun out of control.

I think the most important thing about Christianity is its emphasis on love, mercy, and grace and the need to transform all the faith over to a system of nomological logic that we can only have faith in, but which should conform to a certain kind of rational approach as I said. What do you think of Bruno Bauer and the Christos Mythos book? I don't see why there is such an emphasis on denying Jesus, because it serves no purpose, but ultimately can we believe in Jesus said who he was and at that point we can only have faith. I think that is a matter of faith and a kind of Ontologicism that can only be worked in a process metaphysics/theology.

I see the epistemological reasoning behind why people believe in it, and that it even works behind a kind of of protectionism and imaginative sphere(not reduced to a psychologism), but rather meets the holistic person in a kind of face to face within oneself that reaches deep into a kind of trans physical world that is worked back into the grand design of human consciousness and this reflects back on a teleological order and a kind of eschatological working/final cause towards which things are working. Again, faith is the saving grace and grace must be worked towards and converted over to truth through a kind a naturalistic process and ultimately it must ground itself towards a moral ends, as best as we can do as it relates to the human other and the faith should be guided towards a kind of appreciation of the transcendental at works in reality and a desire to convert the grace present in it over into a kind of holistic form and understanding/approach to morality, which should be based on a simple approach to survival and have the rest, such as the intuitiveness of it all fit into a kind of conformism with the sublime in nature in a non-naturalistic manner and where our traditional understanding of truth conforms to a new kind multi-dimensional form of self-perception regenerating itself back to the categories found within nature and reality.

I'll have to read more about the Shroud of Turin, but there has got to be something out there that supplies the nail in the coffin to Jesus' existence. I think it could have lay in the Library of Alexandria before the Arabs burned it down. I could have seen something else getting to some place like Constantinople and being stolen or burned there when the Turks conquered it in 1453.

Otherwise, I am at a loss and think faith, a kind of acceptance of our lowliness, and the realization that some mysteries are outside our comprehension is an utmost necessity. It carries its own weight and that combined with the universal values that Jesus cherished makes him a pivotal and axial figure that in itself we should seek to replicate.

HennyPenny

Catholics didn't elect Bergoglio, it was the Vat II mob that forced the Church to back down on it's 2000 year old beliefs in the name of "ecumenical outreach" and who are in control: Jews converted to Catholics, Jewish sympathizers, pro Communists and Freemasons. see Maurice Pinay's book

https://christogenea.org/system/files/resources/PlotAgainstTheChurchComplete.pdf

Make the Church back down on one thing to create doubt and chaos, alter the makeup of the clergy to sow distrust. @carmencita

1Iron_Curtain

The Vatican II mob has been in power since Pope John Paul II. I don't think the Freemasons or Communists control the Vatican. I think they facilitate and support them to an extent and have allowed them in through feminism and multi-culturalism. I think the most prevalent thing is Zionism and Hebraism in the Vatican.

The Vatican used to be the faction that stood up against the evils of Zionism to the greatest extent. That is why I love it in a certain manner. I think though when the Church's canon became corrupted, Concilliarism was undone, Monasticism shoved to the other side, it could not formulate anything beyond an Augustinian Soteriology, it put too much emphasis on Ecclesiology and Church structure over reforming and cleaning up its dogmatic and doctrinal core to a lesser extent and the theological underpinnings behind it, and then declared the Pope infallible created all kinds of issues.

I don't think this negates the Catholic Church, being one True, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, but I am sort of a Unitarian so I do not see it as the upper echelon in truth, but rather as truth in development and process over an evolutionary trek and that it can err and corrode in the long-term.

HennyPenny

Verbatim memories from inside staff written up in this book on the Vatican: http://www.huttongibson.com/PDFs/huttongibson_NIKITARONCALLI_book.pdf written by Franco Bellegrandi: Chamberlain of the Sword and the Cape of His Holiness, journalist, 5 years spent under Roncalli (Pope John 23rd)

"he was told by his interlocutor, between a puff and another at the scented smoke of his big pipe, that “the nunciature of Paris was working in great secret to reconcile the Catholic Church with Freemasonry.” It was 1950! This episode seems to expose the connivance of Roncalli with Freemasonry."

He told me, driving me home, that “…The next Pope would not be Siri, as it was murmured in some Roman circles, because he was too authoritarian a cardinal. They would elect a Pope of conciliation. The choice has already fallen on the patriarch of Venice Roncalli. “Chosen by whom?” I rejoined surprised. “By our Masonic representatives in the Conclave,” responded placidly my kind escort. And then it escaped me:
”There are freemasons in the Conclave?” “Certainly,” was the reply, “the Church is in our hands.” I rejoined perplexed: “Who, then, is in charge in the Church?” After a brief pause, the voice of my escort uttered precisely: “No one can say where the upper echelons are. The echelons are occult"

"Roncalli long time advocate of the worker, aided in labor strikes in Italy, France when he was Nuncio, when he was Patriarch of Venice had the Communist Party manifestos printed with church monies. Was alleged to have been a member of the "Rose Cross" (Rosicrucian) group as Apostalic Legate in Bulgaria and Greece; as Papal Nuncio in Paris after the war, had a secretary who stated that the Nuncio was going to "reconcile the Masons and the Catholic Church. Roncalli approved the appointment of a 33 degree Mason (Baron Marsaudon) to be Minister of the Order of Malta. "

1Iron_Curtain

I have mixed views of the Masons. I think anti-Masonic thinking has generally been non-productive, but I think the Masons are too Occultic. I like nothing about the Masons in how they were formed, because they were anti-monarchic, but considering how things needed to change they had a semi-positive role to play, but why create an occultic oligarchic cadre of people to just replace the old institution.

I think the Masons became infected with all kinds of unfettered rationalism and Zionism and that is why they are bad. I don't think Zionists are bad in themselves, but because of how they think and perceive of the world and how they place themselves in that world and others in that world view.

Vindicator

Thanks! :-)

shewhomustbeobeyed

Surely.;-)