oberbaum

I am a Catholic sedevacantist (reject vatican II), and this is very interesting with regards to the Prophecy of the Popes, which says Francis is the last antipope.. So either Jesus Christ comes back or we have a situation where there is no one even claiming to be pope, and this scandal is just about big enough to take down the whole thing...

Also compare Jesus words in Matthew: "But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea"

Revelation: ""And a mighty angel took up a stone, as it were a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying: With such violence as this shall Babylon, that great city, be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.""

If Francis is scandalizing little ones (pedophilia), Jesus Himself said the punishment is drowning with a millstone... so an angel takes a millstone from space and hits the Mediterranean and a tsunami drowns Francis and the Cardinals... end of Rome, end of the Vatican II counterchurch... end of the world?

Factfinder2

Yes, the prophecy is extremely interesting, especially in light of current events: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

Jesus said it would be better for the scandalizer if he got the millstone-and-drowning treatment. Meaning what would actually happen would be worse than that.

oberbaum

I hear ya, but I think the worse part is Eternity in Hell

Plan1988

Important!

spiffyaintit

Why do these people constantly say 'I HAVE ALL THIS INFO THAT COULD CHANGE EVERYTHING' but they never release it!!!

Soon_To_Be_Suicided

Because most people are cowardly, weeping pussies.

Kahlypso79

BACKGROUND ON VIGANO and the POPE (for context and info) *** 24 January 2018 : Pope Francis compares fake news to snake in Garden of Eden

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/24/pope-francis-fake-news-snake-garden-of-eden

"“The strategy of this skilled ‘Father of Lies’ is precisely mimicry, that sly and dangerous form of seduction that worms its way into the heart with false and alluring arguments,” he(the Pope) said of the snake."

*** 14 March 2018 : Vatican doctors photo of Benedict’s praise for Francis

https://www.apnews.com/01983501d40d47a4aa7a32b6afb70661/Vatican-doctors-photo-of-Benedict 's-praise-for-Francis

"The Vatican admitted Wednesday that it altered a photo sent to the media of a letter from retired Pope Benedict XVI about Pope Francis. The manipulation changed the meaning of the image in a way that violated photojournalist industry standards. The letter was cited by Monsignor Dario Vigano, chief of communications, to rebut critics of Francis... In the part of the letter that is legible in the photo, Benedict praised a new volume of books on the theology of Francis as evidence of the “foolish prejudice” of his critics.. . The Vatican admitted to The Associated Press on Wednesday that it blurred the two final lines of the first page where Benedict begins to explain that he didn’t actually read the books in question. He wrote that he cannot contribute a theological assessment of Francis as requested by Vigano because he has other projects to do."

*** 17 March 2018 : Vatican bows to pressure, releases retired pope’s letter

https://www.apnews.com/409430c60349412c925d35ebe0395c20/Vatican-bows-to-pressure ,-releases-retired-pope's-letter

"The previously hidden part of the letter provides the full explanation why Benedict refused to write a commentary on a new Vatican-published compilation of books about Francis’ theological and philosophical background that was released to mark his fifth anniversary as pope.

In addition to saying he didn’t have time, Benedict noted that one of the authors involved in the project had launched “virulent,” ?anti-papist” attacks against his teaching and that of St. John Paul II. He said he was “surprised” the Vatican had chosen the theologian to be included in the 11-volume “The Theology of Pope Francis.”

"(Vatican reporter, Sandro) Magister on Saturday reported that the omitted paragraph concerned Benedict’s objection to (German theologian Peter) Huenermann, who has joined leading European progressive theologians since the 1980s in penning open letters attacking the policies of John Paul and Benedict.

Left unsaid is who was responsible for selecting Huenermann to write one of the 11 books in Francis’ anniversary anthology, given the author’s past attacks on the retired pope, who lives just across the Vatican gardens from Francis.

*** 21 March 2018 : Vatican Media Chief Resigns After Spreading Digitally Altered Photo

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vatican-media-chief-resigns-after-spreading-fake-news-about-former-pope_us_5ab25e1ae4b054d118deb927?guccounter=1

"The Vatican’s media chief has resigned amid a scandal over a digitally manipulated photograph that misrepresented a letter from retired Pope Benedict XVI. Pope Francis accepted Monsignor Dario Vigano’s resignation over what’s been dubbed the “lettergate” scandal on Wednesday.."

Factfinder2

Your links refer to a completely different Vigano.

This is who you're talking about, Dario Edoardo Vigano: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dario_Edoardo_Vigan%C3%B2

This is the whistleblower, Carlo Maria Vigano: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Maria_Vigan%C3%B2

Kahlypso79

Thanks for the info. I was under the impression that they were the same person. This changes everything.

Are_we_sure

Hi, Monsignor Vigano is not the Vigano who released the recent letter. Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò is the letter writer. There is however, a giant backstory to current events and it's about a civil war going among the Catholic hierarchy.

In fact, I think these Viganos are on different sides in this war.

Kahlypso79

Hey.. thanks for info.. I didnt realise that they were different people... I thought that the whistleblowing was part of a I will have my revenge from the guy who was fired.. A Civil War in the hierachy of the Catholic Church??? no.. you cant be serious :)
Just recently.. One of the conseil of Jesuits was fired just after the Pizzagate incident came into the open.. apparently for advocating the sale of condoms.... The Pope had in intervene and fire the grand master of the order of the cross of malta to get this slimey piece of shit back into the order and reinstated at his previous position. I cant remember his name and most internet has been scrubbed clean.. and it was before I started archiving.. (it was that incident that opened my eyes..) The Australien was was supposed to be auditing the Vatican Bank.. as soon as he started touching the Bank, he was accused of sexual assault on children in Australia. Even Popes get assassinated 33 days after taking power.. You also need to look into the Black Friars P2.. In 1972, Michele Sindona, a banker with close ties to the Mafia, the pseudo-masonic lodge P2, and the Nixon administration, purchased controlling interest in Long Island's Franklin National Bank. As a result of his acquisition of a controlling stake in Franklin, Sindona finally had a money laundering operation to aid his ties to Vatican Bank and the Sicilian drug cartel. Franklin's assets were later purchased (after the suicide of Sindona in Prison) by European American Bank, itself later acquired by Citigroup.

In 1974, the Holy See lost an estimated $30 million upon the collapse of the Franklin National Bank..

Roberto Calvi was the chairman of Italy's second largest private bank, Banco Ambrosiano, when it collapsed in 1982

In 1978, the Bank of Italy produced a report on Banco Ambrosiano which found that several billion lire had been exported illegally, leading to criminal investigation

On 10 June 1982, Calvi went missing from his Rome apartment, having fled the country on a false passport in the name of Gian Roberto Calvini, fleeing initially to Venice. From there, he apparently hired a private plane to London via Zurich. At 7:30 am on Friday, 18 June 1982, a postal clerk was crossing Blackfriars Bridge and noticed Calvi's body hanging from the scaffolding beneath. Calvi's clothing was stuffed with bricks, and he was carrying around $15,000 worth of cash in three different currencies.

Calvi was a member of Licio Gelli's illegal masonic lodge, Propaganda Due (P2), who referred to themselves as frati neri or "black friars". He was found hanging from the Blackfriars Bridgein london. In its latter period, during which the lodge was headed by Licio Gelli, P2 was implicated in numerous Italian crimes and mysteries, including the collapse of the Vatican-affiliated Banco Ambrosiano, the murders of journalist Mino Pecorelli and banker Roberto Calvi, and corruption cases within the nationwide bribe scandal Tangentopoli. P2 came to light through the investigations into the collapse of Michele Sindona's financial empire. P2 was sometimes referred to as a "state within a state" or a "shadow government" (sound familiar??????) In 1984, the Vatican Bank agreed to pay US$224 million to the 120 of Banco Ambrosiano creditors as a “recognition of moral involvement” in the bank's collapse

Outside Italy, P2 was also active in Uruguay, Brazil and Argentina, (( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Flag_of_Montoneros.svg )) with Raúl Alberto Lastiri, Argentina's interim president (between 13 July 1973 and 12 October 1973) during the height of the "Dirty War" among its members. Emilio Massera, who was part of the military junta led by Jorge Rafael Videla from 1976 to 1978, José López Rega, minister of Social Welfare in Perón's government and founder of the Argentine Anticommunist Alliance ("Triple A"), and General Guillermo Suárez Mason were also members When searching Licio Gelli's villa in 1982, the police found a document called the "Plan for Democratic Rebirth", which called for a consolidation of the media, suppression of trade unions, and the rewriting of the Italian Constitution... In mid-1990 Richard Brenneke provided documents to Italian journalists (following the discovery of OPERATION GLADIO) indicating that the CIA supprted the activities of Licio Gelli and Propaganda Due (P2). Brenneke told Rai 1 that he had been involved in CIA payments to P2 of $1–$10m per month or more, with the money used to finance "terrorism" and drug trafficking. If anyone is interestred check out the fact that Jorge Rafael Videla is INFAMOUS for kidnapping huge numbers of CHILDREN who disappeared never to be seen again and check out Kissinger being BFF with Videla..here's a good place to start https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB104/index.htm

retreaux

Wait. All of that info he's holding could end the abuse of countless children, and he thinks his life is worth more than that? He's a marked man not only to the Vatican but to any victim wanting answers.

ChiCom

The problem with a dead man switch is you have to login all the time. Hard to hide when you have to get on the Internet to a specific place all the time

Mind_Games

This phrasing is just too funny...reminds me of when Bart spent his karate money on a video game and just threatened Lisa with the "touch of death" (the name of the karate video game.)

carmencita

Release the Info Already Vigano. He is chasing the globe looking for you. Do it now. Save your RCC. You will be a Hero.

thebearfromstartrack

Why not just RELEASE it? You know INTEGRITY? A GOODNESS thing? Supposedly what the Catholic Church is ALL about. Right?

Soon_To_Be_Suicided

Because they have dirt on him too. That's literally the only reason that someone would not just come out with such information. He is compromised. There's no other reason. MUH SAFETY is not an argument. If you have damning information and you don't release it because you're a scared pussy, you have no sympathy from me, and you won't have any from God either, when he judges you.

thebearfromstartrack

That's what I'm saying. Evil is everywhere INCLUDING religion. DETECTED now (he's NOT forthcoming)....CONFESS and/or off with his head. EZPZ. I don't see the problex here.

Berrysoetasty

Because his life is threatened. A dead mans switch is a bargaining chip where if someone were to die, the information would come out immediately afterwards. The man is protecting his life, you really can't fault him for that. A lot of whistle blowers have dead man switches, it's completely necessary in order to assure no one offs you.

JediOnWelfare

The dead mans switch isn’t merely used to protect ones life. Some information is so horrible it must ideally be released gradually so as to not cause normies to recoil and hide their gazes. At the same, the switch insures if the holder is killed, the killers can’t stop the information.

Soon_To_Be_Suicided

Pretty terrible that the masses, the sheep, are so under MKULTRA that even if someone were to come out, in a very plan, how-to-do kind of way, and just straight-out admitted everything that goes on. The cults, the pedo rape, the sacrifices, adrenochrome, all of it, the normies would reject this information, and would probably go so far as to say that its some kind of "alt-right conspiracy meant to destroy our precious Democracy." These are people who can't think for themselves and speak almost entirely in buzzwords. I feel like we're at that point. The damn Pope himself could admit to the whole thing, and people would still say "there's no way that could be true." Most people refuse to even THINK about this kind of stuff, much less entertain the notion that its actually going on.

Berrysoetasty

Fair enough. I figure this guy probably has useful info, I wonder how much was disclosed that we never heard about.

JediOnWelfare

+Vigano was nuncio to the US. At least regarding America, he’d certainly know which bishops were involved

Berrysoetasty

Well hopefully the switch never has to be activated under circumstances of death, but I would like to know the info he's sitting on. Above everything else, the people they abused know who they are and I think people are feeling much more comfortable about coming forward. Did you see that video of the deaf people that were abused in the home for deaf kids by the Catholic bishop?

thebearfromstartrack

Good people are not interested in long life.

Berrysoetasty

yeah, no, they are interested in preserving their life, like all other creatures on the planet.

thebearfromstartrack

Nope. Not at the expense of everyone else.

Berrysoetasty

this man has done more than enough with the info he's come forward with already. kinda hard to argue what a "good" person would do being that there are tons of good people that don't give up their lives for a cause. What you are describing is not the description of a good person, it's apoptosis and won't do anyone any good. If the people that are willing to out this info keep getting killed, how many will be left?

thebearfromstartrack

If I were him, I would GO ALL THE WAY. Regardless. NOT suicide. Let the chips FALL.

You assume everyone is a tiny stupid bitch sort of person.

Berrysoetasty

Well when you get some info and "go all the way" then I will believe you, til then that is all lip service.

And I certainly don't think it makes someone a "tiny stupid bitch" to want to save their own life, I think it makes them intelligent, enough so to enact a dead mans switch.

And being that we don't even know what's on the dead mans switch, it might be info that will make little to no difference. He may also not have any more info and the dead mans switch is just a ruse to keep those trying to silence him on their feet, nobody can really be sure. I certainly don't fault him for putting one in place, although it didn't help Julian Assange much (I believe he is dead and they jumped through hoops to stop his dead mans switch from being initiated, but once again, I could be wrong about this). Who knows.

thebearfromstartrack

You don't get honor. Do you?

If it makes not diff, he's an asshole (evil) for PLAYING that card. You see...(not) GOODNESS is NOT about winning. OR losing.

Berrysoetasty

Once again, he came out with the info in the first place. It would be a stretch to call him evil for not releasing further information being that we don't have an idea of what the further information contains or that it even exists in the first place. Plus from the title of the thread here is that he activated the death switch, so that may imply that he has already released the info. Unless his info is that there are a bunch of kids in cages that need immediate saving, or he's got a cache of DNA evidence stored somewhere, or pictures of the priests actually abusing the children, then all released info would be hearsay anyway. A lot of the people that have been victims of the catholic priests and bishops have come forward and we have an idea of which priests have committed these crimes. What exact type of info would constitute putting yourself at risk?

thebearfromstartrack

Are YOU lecturing me? I mean REALLY? You think I didin't "Get it" the first time you TOLD me about something?

Berrysoetasty

What in the hell does that garble mean? You hump cats? You don't like black people? Why would I care if you are a weirdo dude? No lecture, just sensible argument, if you don't have a reasonable answer then feel free to send more senseless nonsense, I've got nothing better to do apparently.

thebearfromstartrack

I'm jusrt SAYIING, if I wrote "The Odd Couple", Iwould be WAY more famous than you are.Thank you.

Berrysoetasty

That wouldn't take much, I'm not that famous.

thebearfromstartrack

I don't want to be famous. Obscurity is SO much more comfortable for autistic people.

Mind_Games

Catholicism is no different the islam. 100% guilt, shame, and demand to surrender to it. Islam is pissed because the Catholics have been doing it for a far longer time.

thebearfromstartrack

That IS a GOOD thing IMO. You think YOUR personal preference is BEST for society? Evil is EVERYWHERE, including religion. The ANCIENT message is GOOD. I WANT to be segregated, whatEVER it takes, from evil....you know, lies, cheating, chislers and tons of other cool stuff I WANT.

Mind_Games

You write like a fucking retarded 7 year old child. Not even going to respond to the context of what you wrote because your METHOD of PERIODICALLY capitalizing some words, for apparent DRAMATIC EFFECT takes away any merit to what it is you've typed.

btw, Islam, Catholicism are both well behind the evil that is Judaism. Jews should be rounded up on a global level and set ablaze. Humanity can celebrate as the future would finally have a sense of hope

thebearfromstartrack

The troublex for you is, I'm a REAL fucking genius. I monkey with monkeys. In YOUR case, I happen to be in a mood to show the world how STUPID parasites, useless pieces of garbage like you ARE. Tell me about yotr CONTRIBUTIONS to society. THEN, I will tell you something about MINE. Come on, little one, who KNOWS so much, and who's elders ABSOLUTELY will refuse entrance too, UNLESS you are their parents...who HIRED me.

Mind_Games

lulz. "i'm a real boy".

I can't wait to mow some of you kikes down ...a few of you I'm going to take my time with.

thebearfromstartrack

Bring if fag. YOUR parents KNOW better. Make NO mistake. I WILL win. Who are YOU...compared to ME?

Mind_Games

"bring if" I'll spare you sending a sample to 23andme.com. You're 100% dumbfuck. There. Riddle solved.

thebearfromstartrack

Sorry. I'm a stupid head. GODAMNIT? I am REALLY pissed off.You want my address?

Mind_Games

I want your parents cooking over my bonfire and you putting on a bib.

thebearfromstartrack

I will eat the thing, that you hate for me to eat. You think I'm retrded.

sodePllAlliK

Because this is all a bullshit game. Why else would all these "anons" be constantly posting riddles?