https://www.christianpost.com/news/jrr-tolkien-son-uk-inquiry-catholic-church-mishandling-child-sex-abuse-allegations-228477/
JRR Tolkien's Son Part of UK Inquiry Into Catholic Church Mishandling Child Sex Abuse Allegations
The top Roman Catholic archbishop in the U.K. is set to face pressing questions over the way the church has handled child sex abuse allegations, including over the clergy son of JRR Tolkien.
Cardinal Vincent Nichols, the Archbishop of Westminster, is set to be questioned this week by the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, The Telegraph reported.
The investigation will look into how major British institutions tackled sex abuse claims, with the Catholic Church attracting major controversy for relocating abusing priests in dioceses around the world.
Nichols' former Archdiocese of Birmingham is set to be examined, including how it handled allegations of abuse against Father John Tolkien, the son of famous author JRR Tolkien, who wrote The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit fantasy novels.
Senior church officials are being blamed for allowing Fr. Tolkien, who died in 2003, to continue working as a priest despite an alleged victim coming forward against him years earlier.
The man, Christopher Carrie, accused the priest of sexually abusing him twice in November 1956, when he was 11-years-old.
As BBC News reported back in 2003, the Archdiocese of Birmingham awarded Carrie £15,000, or nearly $20,000 USD, in an out-of-court settlement.
Fr. Tolkien had denied the allegations, and a police investigation launched against him in 2001 was discontinued, as the Crown Prosecution Service found him to be too ill to be charged. The priest died two years later at the age of 85.
Carrie, a father of two, said at the time that the church needs to answer for protecting Fr Tolkein.
"Although Father John Tolkien is now dead, and cannot harm any more children, that does not exempt the church from responsibility or liability.
"I am satisfied that the settlement is substantial enough to recompense me for some of the wrongs committed," he continued.
"More importantly, I hope the coverage given to the case may encourage other victims of sexual abuse to come forward."
Carrie further revealed that church officials had promised him in 1993 that Fr. Tolkien was set to shortly retire as a priest, but he continued actively officiating in church services at least until the mid 1990s.
The scandals rocking the Catholic Church have been felt worldwide, including in the U.S. A Pennsylvania grand jury report detailed in August how 301 priests abused over 1,000 children over the past several decades, with church hierarchy shielding the perpetrators.
"Priests were raping little boys and girls, and the men of God who were responsible for them not only did nothing. They hid it all," said at a press conference Attorney General Josh Shapiro.
Pope Francis has scheduled a major four-day conference on the clerical sexual abuse crisis with his top bishops in Rome for February 2018. The meeting, believed to be the first of its kind, comes following the pontiff's condemnation of the clergy who have been committing abuse, and vow that the Catholic Church will do better.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/11/britains-senior-catholic-faces-questions-churchs-handling-child/
England's most senior Catholic clergyman faces embarrassment this week when he appears before an inquiry to answer claims he ignored child sex abuse allegations against his priests, including the son of JRR Tolkien.
Cardinal Vincent Nichols, the Archbishop of Westminster, is to give evidence in person to the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, which is investigating how a number of key institutions in Britain handled sex abuse claims.
Never Charged!
Fr. John Tolkien? Son of RR Tolkien? Another Child of Famous Elite Involved In Sexual Abuse of A Child
Pizzagate Related because Sexual Abuse by Another Priest Upon a Child
▼ carmencita
Cdl. Nichols seems to be in Lockstep with his pope about hell.
https://cruxnow.com/church-in-uk-and-ireland/2018/03/31/cardinal-says-church-teaching-doesnt-put-any-specific-person-in-hell/
After Pope Francis was cited by an Italian journalist as saying that Hell doesn’t exist, Cardinal Vincent Nichols of Westminster in the U.K. took to the BBC to say that what Francis may have had in mind is the imagery of Hell as a place of endless fire and torment, which, the cardinal insisted, “has never been part of Catholic teaching.”
That's not how I remember it after 12 years of Catholic Schooling and going to mass every morning for 8 years. I had a fear of going to hell. All of us did. Shame on him.
▼ NOMOCHOMO
I found the Twitter Account from an alleged victim
https://mobile.twitter.com/tolkienabuse?lang=en
▼ carmencita
Tolkien
https://mobile.twitter.com/TolkienAbuse/status/280279508714668032
J. R. R. Tolkien was not only the author of the best-selling novel ever written, but a fierce Catholic. Nearly 55 years ago in a letter penned to his son, Tolkien offered a prophetic message on having unwavering Faith despite grave scandal in the clergy.
“Besides the Sun there may be moonlight but if the Sun were removed there would be no Moon to see. What would Christianity now be if the Roman Church has in fact been destroyed?” – Letter 250, The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien
▼ carmencita
https://mobile.twitter.com/TolkienAbuse/status/280279508714668032
He says look up Tolkien Abuse
▼ NOMOCHOMO
Damn it. Now I have to side-eye JRR Tolkien too?
Hobbits look like children, and are often mistaken for kids in the books.... They're constantly being recruited by Gandalf, an old-ass wizard.
The ring keeps them from aging.
Anybody think Tolkien Mythology might have been a proto-MK-Ultra style normalizing of close relationships between unrelated young and old?
▼ thewebofslime
Secret Masonic history of the races told in metaphor. Elves go to "New World" while the evil Sauron/Moloch/Baal/Manyfacedgod cult takes over Europe/Middle Earth. They use Orcs/black people as pawns to invade Middle Earth. So, it has been posited, anyway.
▼ NOMOCHOMO
hmmmm I could see that. Any links to people who posit this?
▼ think-
I think this is quite a stretch, @NOMOCHOMO . This is about his son, not Tolkien himself.
▼ 3141592653
Agreed
▼ NOMOCHOMO
The apple doesn't fall from the tree. Abuse is often generational.
I'm not saying he is guilty, but if the son is a pedophile, the father should also be scrutinized.
▼ MolochHunter
There is that. But on the other hand, the lord of the rings is a parable critique of the abuse of power. And about the virtue of those who resist it's temptation.
▼ truthdemon
Soumds like a story a bunch of power hungry group would sell to the goyim...to avoid them looking to control power.. ..tolkein admitted tue stories were based on historical fact .. The hobbits could be a metapjor for the goyim.or sheep...or literally children ..Harry potter is very likely an allegoru of the educarion and programming of deep.state agents in UK grammer and public schools... Grammer comes.from the word magic schools
▼ NOMOCHOMO
I can't argue that.
▼ think-
Yes, often it is, but the son was educated in Oxford instituations where pedophilia is rampant, and also might have been abused by a priest. We don't know, so I'd be careful to throw Tolkien Sr. under the bus.
▼ NOMOCHOMO
JRR Tolkien was also educated at Oxford. So the same could apply to him.
Side-Eying isn't "throwing him under the bus" it's looking at with suspicion
▼ Angelis_Solaris
Well you can stop side-eyeing him as there is no way on this earth or in eternity that that man could have ever been a pedophile.
▼ NOMOCHOMO
I personally doubt he was, but there is no reason to exclude anybody from our investigations.
▼ truthdemon
Soumds like a story a bunch of power hungry group would sell to the goyim...to avoid them looking to control power.. ..tolkein admitted tue stories were based on historical fact .. The hobbits could be a metapjor for the goyim.or sheep...or literally children ..Harry potter is very likely an allegoru of the educarion and programming of deep.state agents in UK grammer and public schools... Grammer comes.from the word magic schools Uk public schools are known to encourage pedophilia.. I have a family friends son in a famous london school...who know who the pedo teachers r ...scary environment ... A lot of the public officers in foreign office ...and othrr important public offices are picked up from these public schools.. .. The teaching is poor to say the least ..is a waste of a parents money..all it does is set up a network to be used later.. A harry potter club..of a brainwashed group of know it alls.. I never see these folks in top science and engineering universities..wouldnt last a week.. ..but u find them in droves in oxford and cambrige ..littluns of the deep state
▼ Angelis_Solaris
Sigh I know I say stupid things but here's what I really mean. We should assume his son is innocent until proven guilty. And we should assume he is innocent since no evidence against it has ever been provided. He's the one who helped convert C.S. Lewis from atheism to Christianity, let us not forget. He was a devout Christian himself. There is a left-leaning man named Michael Drought who studied Tolkien immensely, reviewed thousands upon thousands of his personal writings and letters. If he was a pedophile surely it would be indicated in his writings. Listen to the "Of Sorcerers and Men" lecture by Michael Drought for a better understanding of who Tolkien was and why he did what he did.
▼ NOMOCHOMO
Thanks for clarifying. I agree about presumed innocence, but as a legal concept only.
Btw: presume is used when you suppose based on probability (it requires some evidence) while assume is used when you suppose without any evidence
I'm not presuming or assuming guilt either, I'm just asking the question.
I definitely will listen to the lecture, thanks for the reccomendation
▼ Angelis_Solaris
Ah I see. I stand behind innocent until proven guilty as a philosophical concept perhaps, though I'll probably have to give it more thought now. I never really considered the issue in depth before. Anyway, the lectures go into great detail, mostly about Tolkien's works of fiction but also his life and some of his motivations for his writings.
▼ carmencita
I was never into Tolkien but knew some in the past that were. From the sound of your description of keeping Children from again, I think that sounds like every pedo's dream. Sounds kind of like being on magic mushrooms too.
▼ Angelis_Solaris
This is laughable to the point of utter dismissal. That's nothing like Tolkien's works, if you haven't read them, don't criticize them. You're making it sound like Lewis Carroll or something. I've read both and they're nothing alike.
▼ carmencita
I never mentioned Carroll or that they were alike.
▼ Angelis_Solaris
What you said was reminiscent of Carroll and that's why I brought it up. That's what it came across as, to me. That's why I said it was "laughable," not that anyone should be laughing at it but just that it is absurd to jump prematurely to conclusions. I guess I got too angry since Tolkien's works have inspired me in the pro-Christian direction more than any other work I've ever read, and I've read all the products of his fantasy writings. There is no way a pedophile could produce what he produced, I don't think anyone with evil intentions could produce such a Godly work. It's comparable to C.S. Lewis' works in many ways, though arguably better.
▼ YogSoggoth
You might become disappointed in your childhood heroes here. Take that to the bank.
▼ Angelis_Solaris
No need to deposit something that doesn't clearly exist.
▼ YogSoggoth
It has been my experience, in my short time on this planet, that the real heroes were everyday common people. Most of them are dead, sadly. They are my rock.
▼ carmencita
That's why I said that it was either family or maybe in school, a teacher, or priest. An authority figure. It should always be left open at the beginning. This needs further research. Into his and his son's background.
▼ Angelis_Solaris
Go to "Of Sorcerers and Men" by Michael Drought for a good start into Tolkien and his motivations. It's a great source since Michael Drought has read the Lord of the Rings 47 times and studied most of Tolkien's personal writings (which are innumerable)
▼ carmencita
Thank You.
▼ NOMOCHOMO
Micah 7:5: Put no trust in a neighbor; have no confidence in a friend; guard the doors of your mouth from her who lies in your arms
Psalm 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation.
▼ NOMOCHOMO
"laughable to the point of utter dismissal"
Appeal to Ridicule
▼ Angelis_Solaris
I didn't mean it like that. It really is laughable, I was being serious. It was an asinine and careless comment of baseless accusation, literally baseless. They haven't even read any of his works.
▼ NOMOCHOMO
I have read his works, and do find them inspirational.
But the Bible says repeatedly:
Psalm 118:8-9: It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man. It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in princes.
▼ Angelis_Solaris
Yes you're right about that.
▼ think-
The TL;DR is that they settled with the victim mentioned in the OP since they were afraid a further investigation could reveal that there had been other accusations as well.
▼ carmencita
As usual more sexual abuse of Our Children swept into the dust bin. They think it will never be found, or at least are hoping. No longer. We are exposing their cover ups, unfortunately some of these vile perpetrators have met their death. Is that the only way we can hope for safety of Our Children? Is that the only way that Victims can be assured that they will no longer brutally rape more Children again? May the High Level Clergy rot in hell. YES francis there is a hell and it's waiting for you. Hopefully sooner than later.
▼ InnocentAngels
Off topic, but have you seen that Celine Dion has a gender neutral clothing line for kids? Another celebrity pushing their agenda. So disappointed.
▼ YogSoggoth
Vans is getting extra weird, and so are the other trendies. Pushing the mixed race stuff hard.
▼ InnocentAngels
They are pushing it all big time, and the question is why? If we are really honest with ourselves I think we already know.
▼ YogSoggoth
Targeting the kids one last time. You ever watch that movie In Broad Daylight? I hope this goes of that smooth. I really do.
▼ InnocentAngels
No, never seen it. Looked it up though. Saw the plot and see they finally had enough, and go for community justice.
▼ YogSoggoth
A few movies on that. In Broad Daylight, the movie, is pretty close to the history of the matter. Just watched on youtube for free. That makes me think it is going to be banned there soon for some reason. Certainly banned in the UK and Ireland.
▼ carmencita
Not into her or her music, but not a bit surprised. So sad to have another person in the limelight getting this sick stuff out there. Really don't we have enough of this yet? Yuck.
▼ InnocentAngels
I guess I was surprised to see her do it. I think she has a beautiful voice, but I'm not a huge fan of her style. She just didn't seem like the type to push it. Now she needs to stop being the diva she thinks she is and go gender neutral. Can you imagine that?
▼ carmencita
Now I am wondering about her son. Did she have him naturally? Or is she another one of those that needed a beard? Never enough money. Now they are pushing her to do this garbage. She possibly has to do it in order to get more jobs. She is beyond loaded. Sick.
▼ InnocentAngels
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/celine-dion-has-lost-four-children-to-ivf
▼ carmencita
Holy Cow. I had forgotten how many times she claimed to try. I always think that whatever they tells us about their families always has some lies in it. That's horrid about her Mother having so many Children. I don't like abortion, but that's not right either. Man.
▼ InnocentAngels
She puts it all out there in this video. Pushing gender neutral identity, and how the world owns your children.A baby even has a tee on that says New Order. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=65&v=vSdSFKj-hOc
▼ carmencita
Another Jolie and Madonna Mother Just what the world needs. She is either under their complete control or she is totally doing it for the money. This is so sad. Saw the tee. Scary. People hang on to your Children, Tight.
▼ InnocentAngels
You are not going to believe this. I just saw this. Unreal. Maybe it does come back to blue bloods. http://www.perche-quebec.com/files/celine-dion/individus/celine-dion-en.htm
▼ carmencita
You are right. This says it all. I think this was a hint. A mason. Freemason? Many masons were.
The direct paternal ancestor of Celine Dion, Jean, was named « Guyon ». He was a mason who spent his career in Mortagne (Perche, Orne, France) up to 1634, year of his departure to "La Nouvelle-France" in Canada.
▼ InnocentAngels
What a coincidence we were discussing Madonna and Jolie too. Sometimes life is stranger than fiction. Strange how so many of these people connect. I'm starting to believe in this blue blood/royal blood scenario. Esp knowing most of our presidents have been Masons. I read Trump wasn't a Mason, but Hillary and him are connected distantly in their family tree.
▼ carmencita
I don't know if their being connected means anything or not, but many people are connected to people they would never believe. Who knows. I have heard people say on here that he is a Mason, but again who knows. I have looked and found nothing as of yet.
▼ InnocentAngels
Thanks. I didn't see that about him being a Mason. I did see the politician Gingrich say he wasn't. If Trump and Hillary are from a distant family tree,that would mean they would both be from a similar blood line. That's where I was going with that.
▼ carmencita
The bloodline thing in itself is scary. Wow. Although people can veer by marrying others. But once in this cabal bloodline system, Idk, would be hard to get out. Family cult thing and all that.
▼ InnocentAngels
I would say she is controlled.. They don't get to the height she is without being their puppet. Terrible to think about how much control they are seeking. I hope I'll never see their New Order.
▼ carmencita
Wonder where her son came from. Possibly stolen like Jolie and Madonna did. They don't have any morals. The fact that they are with the NWO, that's why they take other people's Children. They think they can take anything that belongs to us. That garbage all started with Hillary. It takes a village. And she did.
▼ InnocentAngels
Just look at her clothing line for babies. Who would dress their baby this way? They almost all look like a Halloween costume. https://www.nununuworld.com/baby/ I feel sick looking at this. Most are black and white. Skulls and single eye clothing. Illuminati confirmed.
▼ carmencita
Did you see the little shirt in the girls page that said HO! on it? What does that mean if we don't know.
Yes, super creepy stuff. What's sickening is that some items are out of stock.
▼ InnocentAngels
Crazy isn't it? No, I didn't see that one. Disgusting someone would buy that for a baby. These people are demented.
Getting ready to go to bed. If I come across anything else I will pop in. This may have been a good post for Pizzagate Whatever. Many aspects to it.
▼ carmencita
She would be a good post. I think there is much more to her.
▼ InnocentAngels
I did see that she first met her husband when she was 12, and he was 38. They married when she was 20. He was her husband/manager. Also, look at the various meanings of the word Nunu that is part of the name of her clothing line.One of the definitions is a word for penis or sex organ of both sexes. But also can mean a term of endearment.
▼ carmencita
Wow. I had forgotten they met so early. Manager and a 12 yr. Old? What could be fishy about that? Hmm. Like Macron and his wife meeting early but parents made them wait til he was 18. At least those parents had a brain. But still, Wow. I have a feeling nunu is probably sexually related. Why not.
▼ InnocentAngels
I wonder if there are pics of Celine pregnant. I'll have to look sometime. I wonder too if the child is really her biological child or adopted. I remember when Hillary said that. I bet they have been pushing it long before she made that statement though. What's funny about Madonna and Jolie is how they don't really want the fathers to have much to do with their children's life from what I have seen.
▼ carmencita
Maybe because the men are not "in charge" so to speak of the nonsense with their new found feminism. It was odd that Brad took off I believe he did not like what she was doing with the children. Possibly they are not his anyway. It's all so screwed up. Just think of the wildest scenarios and that's probably the right answer. I saw on TV where Oprah interviewed Michelle O about her new book. She talked about her family's fertility problems I heard. Trying to fan the flames.
▼ InnocentAngels
I would say that is a big part of it. Brad really got the bad end of the stick with her saying he was abusive to the kids. There was that about Rocco (Madonna and Guy Richie's son) wanting to live with his dad because of Madonna's treatment and lack of attention to him. No wonder so many celeb kids get so screwed up. I saw that about Michelle's book. Have we ever seen a pic of her pregnant? I don't know if that's true about the kids, but it makes you go hmm.
▼ carmencita
I don't believe or disbelieve what is said about Malia and Sasha but I will say it is possible. There are many that have faked their pregnancies as well. I am sure she touched on that to kill all the rumors about the girls. Their lives are controlled and they seem like robots, follow the instructions.
▼ think-
[Biography]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien_family#John_Francis_Reuel_Tolkien) of Father John Tolkien:
He was moved around quite a lot. Were his superiors aware of his pedophile activities and crimes, even in his early years?
(Rhetorical question probably.)
He had more victims, the Church settled with a couple of them.
@Vindicator - had you heard about this? This will likely be a bummer for you. :-/
@Factfinder2 @Gilderoy
▼ Vindicator
No. Hadn't heard. All abuse of kids is a bummer for me.
I think we are going to find out that anyone who has gotten traction with ideas that challenge the power of the globalist Cabal is going to have been targeted for corruption and/or reputational destruction. We know it happened to Assange. It's constantly claimed here by those who want to silence PG research. I expect to see much, much more of it, especially since the press is part of the Cabal.
▼ septimasexta
Here is an original article on it: "Tolkien's priest son in sex abuse investigation." https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Tolkien 's+priest+son+in+sex+abuse+investigation.-a071553830
JRR Tolkien's Catholic background:
His mother converted to Catholicism after her husband died. JRR was raised Catholic and "Mabel had named Father Morgan as her sons' guardian before she died. He encouraged the boys' educations, using his family money to help them and opening his library to them." So, JRR Tolkien ended up being raised by a Catholic priest. Read the details: https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=476
▼ Angelis_Solaris
And it's his son, not him himself. JRR Tolkien himself was not that kind of person, at least from what I can tell from his writings, which I have read extensively. They are the most beautiful and noble writings I have ever encountered and no pedophile could have produced them, no guilty conscious can produce 60+ years of continuous works like that. He can tell us himself in the afterlife.
▼ NOMOCHOMO
What about the Bible?
▼ YogSoggoth
Yahweh destroyed sodomy and gonorrhea. Modern redneck translation. You want more? I got's lots of em.
▼ Angelis_Solaris
More beautiful than the Bible in my opinion. Although I've not read the Bible all the way through. The Bible is more important obviously, it's been around longer and testifies of Jesus Christ. But it was not written by Jesus Christ, it was written by men. Men write according to their skill. It is possible that a pedophile could have great skill in writing, I'm sure many do. But the spirit and the type of things Tolkien chose to write about, are very unlikely for someone who's preoccupied with abusing children. Anyway, there has never been any evidence than Tolkien abused children. We don't even know if his son did or if it's a false accusation. Presume innocence until proven guilty.
▼ think-
I don't understand your comment, Vin. What is the connection to the allegations against Tolkien?
▼ Vindicator
Several generations of people have been inspired by the works of Tolkein Sr., which are quite powerfully anti-globalist and also a warning against the corruption of the powerful. It doesn't surprise me at all that this is being reported. It wouldn't surprise me if his son was targeted for corruption as described by Bella Dodd . I think we are going to see many more reports like this.
▼ DeathToMasonsASAP
He is also accused as being an occultist and the symbolism is in his work. Tolkien is my favorite author, but nothing is off the table. Raised by Catholic priest and part of secret society of scholarly men who wanted to create a modern mythology. He said he thought Norse religion was more impressive the Christian faith, or at least some messages were more impressive. The 9, the all seeing eye, Suaron imitating but not being able to create. It is worthy of discussion.
▼ Angelis_Solaris
Thanks for your stance. Whatever I think about the Catholic Church is irrelevant in cases where nothing has been proven.
▼ think-
I still don't understand. Why shouldn't it be reported? Do you want to make an exemption for children of celebs?
Are you trying to say the abuse allegations are not credible? Why? Do you want to imply the survivors are lying?
These are not mere newspaper reports with baseless allegations, these are reports of settlements the Church has actually made years ago.
▼ carmencita
Thanks for the info. Another Sad Story. Where was this priest abused? By his father or in a school, we know that's were many have occurred. At least the ones we have researched here. Sorry if this will cloud the image of a literary idol, there have been so many that have fallen.
▼ derram
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▼ shewhomustbeobeyed
christianpost - https://archive.is/I1qU3
▼ carmencita
Thanks.