Piscina

It's because powerful men don't want to lose their rights to watch children and women being degraded, abused and raped. It their 'civil right'.

eucalyptus_spearmint

Then it ought to be my civil right to reach deep into their gullets and pull out their entrails so i can play jump rope with em. 😀

FuckUredditFuckuSpez

Kennedy is the least of our problems. "Oh well ian" - Is a sketch mother fucker. that's all i'm saying.

EvaEverywhere

We are on the eve of VR becoming popular. I have always been on the side of drawings and words being protected speech. Of course, it seems, that mediums that allow for maximum creativity outside of reality seem to produce strange results full of tentacle monsters. There are much more people who watch virtual murder or gore porn all day then cartoons depicting violence against children. People are already connected to virtual murder spree machines all day long. Add to this the soundtrack provided by immature people shouting expletive-laden abuse at each other. Society already has a means of studying what immersion in a toxic world does to the brain. But we don't study this. There is an outrage machine of concern fagging when we dare try to understand how our children's brains are murdered by spending day after day in a shoot em up environment.

My strategy has always beem to do media education. Not everything that is on the internet requires being seen. We need to raise children who understand what they are being spoonfed. My daughter ran into my room to explain her absolute shock at the Luciferian content in the new Sabrina spin-off... She has done the same thing about Riverdale. We talked about the "morality destroying" tropes of TV Shows like that over the years. She doesn't trust the Disney machine because we also talked about the duplicity of "Hannah Montana" (public vs private image duality and glamour lie) and how most plots of iCarly feature the main character doing unethical or illegal things.

It helps to have insight on how certain media shortchanges the brain, but, again, people love their porn and will continue to keep it in this unregulated state that promotes one-upmanship and now produces content that kind of looks like science fiction compared to how people usually care to have sex.

Another thing nobody has studied. Do children who start looking into sex online when they are 10 wind up looking for content that features their peers. I have never seen a case where this situation is brought up. If you have ever seen mentions of such cases, or this situation being used as a defense, please share. I can add this to my pile of research.

To close off, before the advent of Pornhub, online sites offering porn made an effort to shield the content. Nobody does that anymore. I believe companies that fill the internet with free to access porn have a responsibility to the community as a whole. They are in the wrong. But I am not sure what is right, and would work to create a speed bump that protects unauthorized viewers and protects them from this content. When I was a kid it was the age of Penthouse letters and softcore blue movies. These things didn't have the mind-altering quality of the kind of porn that is offered today. As a person from the analog age always being pursued by people from the digital age (because porn made MILF hunting a thing...) I am bewildered by how they talk about sex. It's as if they live in an alternate reality where "hate fucking on the first date" sounds like a funny thing to say or do. It is bewildering but mostly sad that young men have been educated in ways that make them unlikely to be attractive to women in the intimate sense. And we are seeing a weird incel backlash against women because women didn't receive the same education and now people have a hard time meeting in the middle.

I think this is by design. I think the stance of "pretend it doesn't exist" will continue in all matters of porn as we move into the VR phase. Not sure I'll be there to observe this, the thing makes me dizzy :(

eucalyptus_spearmint

"Another thing nobody has studied. Do children who start looking into sex online when they are 10 wind up looking for content that features their peers. I have never seen a case where this situation is brought up. If you have ever seen mentions of such cases, or this situation being used as a defense, please share. I can add this to my pile of research.".

This is an excellent question. I'm guessing the answer is generally no. Kids interested in sex (going by my own experiences) associate that sexuality with the sexually mature body. Kids get crushes on another, but that isn't fully, sexually realized in the child, even a precocious one. Now, if the child has been molested or interfered with? Couldn't say...But that scares me, the idea of a child seeking and finding pornography of other kids. Almost as much as I'm scared of seeing a day come where there is no more outrage because childhood innocence is becoming a defunct concept. I want to be dead when that happens.

EvaEverywhere

I realize this is a scary concept. I took some time out of my day to plonk all our Pizzagate/Q keywords into pornhub to see if there is content that winks at satanic pedo keywords... I didn't find anything very remarkable. Youtube has way more psycho satanic content than pornhub. What I did notice is that there are a lot of animated content that features video game characters, notably from hyper popular games such as Forthnight (sp?)

I remember as a child going through the entire libraries of people I had access to (family, babysitters, etc.) and would always find erotica. Of course in late 70s, early 80s, there was no culture of hardcore porn that is more akin to sci-fi than to regular sex. I cannot say that the erotic content I saw as a child was very shocking or noteworthy. It was simply a window into what adults think and do. The true issue is "instant free access"... there is no effort to prevent minors from consuming porn online... that is a huge issue.

carmencita

That makes so much sense. I love how you have explained all this to your Daughter. Thank you for your creating one more person with a clear understanding of what the media industry is trying to do to her brain. Now she is trained to find these immoral videos and music for herself. I have always looked forward to your comments and Thanks again for raising a red pilled Child.

EvaEverywhere

Thanks @carmencita . I appreciate your eternal presence around here and your friendship. I am super sorry to see posts that attack you. I hope you remain among us and continue to share. <3

carmencita

Sorry people have to look at that stuff. But that's how they roll around here. Thank you also. I have had some wonderful friends on here. I hope they continue their research and dig deep. <3

TripleMetal

He’s right, as long as the CP is done tastefully.

MaxVieuxlieu

If the world were such that you could catch 100% of people producing, consuming, or storing real child pornography, would you then be ok with virtual child pornography being legal?

eucalyptus_spearmint

Only if the virtual child porn consumers were forced to wear brands on their foreheads identifying them as such so all decent folk child ostracize them for for the foul, unnatural, dangerous degenerates they are.

Oh_Well_ian

Put a bullet in their fuckin' heads.

How's that?

rndmvar

Child porn is repugnant, and the CREATORS should be prosecuted.
HOWEVER, don't you find it odd that anyone who becomes overly critical of the DeepState suddenly has tens of thousands of child porn images found on their computers?
Then they are found dead in their jail cells weeks after being admitted.
Child porn legislation is the "sprinkle some crack on him" tool of the DeepState.
It uses peoples' aversion to child abuse to silence calls for investigation into whether the person targeted is really guilty of such a crime, or if they were framed by D.S. devils.
It also makes it illegal for Pizzagate investigators to hold onto certain pieces of evidence that wealthy Moloch worshipers are sacrificing children.
Thus, the actual creators of the child porn can use law enforcement resources to silence critics and investigators.

think-

Child porn legislation is the "sprinkle some crack on him" tool of the DeepState.

I think you have no idea how harmful child porn is. It is perfectly fine to prosecute offenders (yes, I read your comments below too). Do you even have an idea how children/adults feel that have been raped, and were filmed? Not knowing when they meet people on the streets who might have seen the pics/footage?

In the UK, some police spokesmen are advocating for not sending perps to prison any more, because there are 'too many' of them. That's a disaster for victims.

The DS will always find methods to set up people.

EvaEverywhere

Your evidence is not porn, it's not art, it's just evidence of a crime. Also, the #1 goal is to delete all material featuring children being exploited. That is a much broader category than what people think CP is. The naming of it obscures what it is: Evidence of a crime. But if you keep it on your computer it will be taken a re-distributed. So report and delete is a better strategy. It could be that your content has never been catalogued into the hash system (for quick lookup using mathematical representation of content rather than human validation). New content can feature children that are still alive and findable.

I am not specifically writing to YOU but people need to move away from the old CP language and attitude and, step-by-step, face the problem and do the right thing... but not in a way that gets undone. Mind your language: "exploitative videos of children" (that includes completely legal stuff like exploitative videos of children on social media and youtube)

Oh_Well_ian

In summary..

We need to keep virtual child porn to protect Pizzagate investigators.

rndmvar

Not just Pizzagate investigators. Leftists love using their collection of child porn to try and get free speech sites and image hosts shut down. Or to frame their neighbors.

I don't like doing away completely with illegality of child porn, but the current legislation gives the pedophiles and communists too much abusive power.

Oh_Well_ian

You're describing child porn as a Catch 22 that we must force ourselves to live with, because only by its trivialization can we be protected from Communists.

Or am I missing something?

rndmvar

I don't like doing away completely with illegality of child porn

Please read the above more carefully. It seems the intent and meaning is lost on you.

I don't know what future child porn laws SHOULD look like, but I do know that what we have now isn't working.
Remember the child porn ring found on Twitter, and how Twitter banned the people that found it?
AFAIK, those people in the ring have not been prosecuted, but the ones that uncovered it were punished instead.
Is that justice? Is that what you want? Should we continue to trust a government with laws that are used on those that object to child rapists, instead of the rapists themselves? At this point I believe that the current child porn laws are more of a single edged sword, with the blade facing backwards.

What I think would help, is the death penalty for those found to have sexually molested a child. I would require physical evidence, or potentially video/audio as evidence. As, children have been coached to lie before a judge in the past.
THAT would significantly reduce the generation of child porn. As the offenders would be dead. Instead of being released back into the public after being "cured", which I doubt is even possible after the decades of failures in this regard.

So, in summary. Treat the disease (death penalty to child rapists), and use the symptoms (child porn) as non-primary offence that allows investigating and stinging ("have a seat over there") that person.

Oh_Well_ian

Much better explanation.

We are in complete agreement.

My OP was intended to draw attention Kennedy's psychology that motivated his opinion. ie. it has nothing to do with his feelings of either freedom or justice

notanexit

If they banned virtual child porn, could they use that as precedence to ban virtual murders?

MaxVieuxlieu

Violent video games are currently protected under this same precedent as free speech. If this case had gone the other way, the next challenge would have probably involved the original first-person shooters in some place that tried to ban them. Whether the Court would have extended the holding in this case to a violent video game is a different question, but it follows the same line of reasoning.

Oh_Well_ian

lol yeah... because child sex acts and first shooter games are exactly the same

Your comments on this thread are very suspect, buddy.

MaxVieuxlieu

Do you doubt that the next logical challenge after virtual child porn, if successful, would have been violent video games, especially given their place in popular culture at the time of this decision? Nobody ever said they were the same, and the only comment I made in the entire thread was the one you responded to directly, my only other contribution to the thread was a direct question, to you, that remains unanswered.

Oh_Well_ian

Yes... I absolutely doubt that. Where is the correlation between the two?

MaxVieuxlieu

  1. People ban virtual child porn because they claim it's linked to consumption of real child porn.

  2. Court upholds ban.

  3. People somewhere ban violent video games because they claim it's linked to committing real acts of violence.

Instead, the Court reversed the ban in 1, and therefore there was no step 3. What's so hard to imagine?

Oh_Well_ian

100% hypothetical nonsense

MaxVieuxlieu

Right, the fact that there are already bans on the sale of certain video games to minors and the fact that outright bans have been propagated elsewhere makes this completely hypothetical. Or maybe you don't know what words mean...

https://www.debate.org/opinions/should-violent-video-games-be-banned

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/03/08/trump-talk-video-game-makers-critics-thursday-white-house-meeting/406374002/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201011/playing-violent-video-games-good-or-bad

Oh_Well_ian

you're advocating child porn and justifying merely because it's 'virtual'

connecting it to a slippery slope argument about violent video games is dubious

MaxVieuxlieu

When have I ever advocated for child porn? You appear to be deliberately lying about my position in order to bolster you're own weak position. If this is the case then you are despicable. If it's not the case then you should rescind your previous comment.

Actual child porn creates actual harm to children. Virtual child porn creates virtual harm to children. A ban on one is clearly consistent with principles of first amendment freedom of expression. A ban on another is not as clearly so. Your use of punctuation and capitalization suggest an inability to appreciate the nuance between the two. You're probably a heavy child porn user who wants to virtue-signal about how bad it is in preparation for the day you're actually caught. I suggest you get help for your problems.

Oh_Well_ian

Did you even realize those profiting from virtual child porn are the same people profiting off actual child porn?

Or do you want to continue this charade that you're some sort of expert?

Why don't I see any submissions to v/pizzagate from you but you're in here concern trolling and defending a Deep State shitbag like Anthony Kennedy?

YogSoggoth

Good argument, but legally, and almost lawfully Max is right. I hate destructo video games, and all video games. If you let them make a law like that it will give them leverage for attacking you. They are making software right now to imitate real video. Would you want to have your identity stolen and given to these people? What if they made a bad video of you, and sent it to you? After the law to protect children of course, you, assuming innocence, would be on trial for more than one offence to the initial crime. Example is hate crime. Digital Avatars and the Future of Fake News from Wired, owned by the fashion magnate I know.

carmencita

Amen.

tadorno

It's called precedence. Any law against something that's "not real" could easily be used on anything else that's "not real".

Not only that, but virtual cp that depicts actual child abuse is illegal, given that it's sourced from real abuse. So it's not it's a free for all. It's the best we've got so far as a balance between protecting from abuse and locking down freedom. Which is what would happen with a poorly planned out law.

MaxVieuxlieu

Precedent and precedents. "Precedence" is not used as a legal term. The latin term stare decisis is used to represent the notion that previous cases should be relied on by lower courts as binding precedent law, and higher or equal Courts should treat precedent as persuasive and not divert from precedent absent a compelling reason.

Oh_Well_ian

So, VIRTUAL CHILD PORN is an expression of FREEDOM that needs to be protected because muh… other freedoms?

tadorno

No, it's because if you give them an inch they'll take a fucking mile.

How many times have we had freedoms taken away from us because they screamed THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN.

Maybe we should just ban all computers too, that's where all the cp is stored

Oh_Well_ian

lol half of the Bill of Rights is GONE and it had NOTHING to do with arresting shitbags who produce and distribute child porn

Just what the fuck are you talking about?

dianemdeath

Reminder, SCOTUS interprets the law. They do not make the law. So in order to make child porn illegal, the legislative branch must make a law specifically against the making of child porn. You'd think this is a no-brainer but still, child porn is readily available to those who seek it. So we the people need to push specific laws through Congress to make child porn equal to "yelling fire in a crowded theater." Equally, I remember in the '90s, parents who took pictures of their naked children in a tub or on a bearskin rug where being prosecuted for child porn because the pictures were developed at the local kiosk and other film development places. Food for thought.

Atomized_Individual

Humans are witch hunt prone

Oh_Well_ian

Humans are witch hunt averse.

There is a reason there is only one example in American history.

This is why Satanic Witch Killary has run amuck her entire evil life.

Atomized_Individual

No, people delude themselves into thinking if they get rid of a particular type of other people, everything will be fine. It's a mass psychosis that takes hold. Look at now. Look at history.

Oh_Well_ian

nahh.. how about you provide an example of a widescale witch hunt in this country?

I have 3 that the (((msm))) and Deep State used to cover up government involvement in the Pedocracy:

1 ) FRANKLIN SCANDAL

2 ) MCMARTIN PRESCHOOL

3 ) PIZZAGATE

YogSoggoth

Still not sure about Cotton, he could have been a warlock hisself and the puritans were a strange bunch, but the premise is right.

Atomized_Individual

Pagan witch burnings, muslim invasions 1 & 2. The Soviets, the Nazis, Mao, Pol pot. Red Scare / McCarthy. Straight White Males. Jewtards. And now you (pedotard) people think people should go to.prison over drawings.

Oh_Well_ian

You're not describing witch hunts. You're describing genocides.

Your hero's Podesta and HRC are going to hang, you shitbag.

YogSoggoth

Upvoted for defending McCarthy, who was proven right, eventually

Atomized_Individual

I'm an Alt-Right Identitarian, pedotard. You people need to deal with your own past trauma, not imprison people for drawings.

Oh_Well_ian

You're an apologist for Anthony Kennedy who is a Deep State pedophile.

I get it... You're addicted to child porn anime and when you're not jacking off to it you Concern Troll v/pizzagate .

You stick out like Michael Obama.

Atomized_Individual

Get therapy for your issues. You pedotards wouldn't be able to identify the age of a non-existent character in a drawing anyway.

Oh_Well_ian

kid fucker ^^^

Atomized_Individual

No, I'm not your dad.

Oh_Well_ian

Sorry faggot...

Your gaslighting, concern trolling and projection are not going to save you from judgement before God.

Do you cunts really think you can hide behind your twisted words?

Atomized_Individual

Gods were created by people, religitard.

Oh_Well_ian

God gave you everything and you sent back that gift long, long ago.

sad little man

Atomized_Individual

There aren't any gods. They're made up, like the easter bunny.

Oh_Well_ian

These are all the lies you tell yourself to justify your degeneracy.

There is one God. There is no 'they'.

Atomized_Individual

You people can never prove that. It's all make believe.

maurice

People can not prove or disprove "god". Those that "disprove "god" relegate the concept into some form of pseudo human.

Which philosophical ideology of "god" do we first concede is the one that shall be the first and foremost "god" that science shall use to debate the concept?

What criteria do bias scientists decide upon to test their theory?

So far, historically, I personally have noticed any and all atheists seem dead set on only attacking Christendom.

This is the endless circle argument. Academia is filled with parrot egos that find it easier to write off what is actually a personal journey and try to make the subjective into an objective, when in fact, "god" can not be quantified and placed into intellectual boxes to scientifically examine it.

Atomized_Individual

I call ALL religions bullshit, snowflake. And there is NO proof of ANY gods. Period.

maurice

Pot calling the kettle a snowflake?

You're welcome to your opinion. That is all it is, your personal opinion, backed by zero peer evidence.

Atomized_Individual

I'm not making a claim, you are. Your claim is that your very specific god or gods exist. That's an unsupported claim.

maurice

Your claim is there is no "god", yet you can not define the criteria you are trying to test.

A circle argument. Burden of proof is upon you, not me.

Would you like the scientific peer articles on synchronicity and quantum intuition? Perhaps peer psychological articles on mindfulness and positive thinking?

All the science backing many of the core principles of PHILOSOPHICAL teachings of many historical figures. Not RELIGIOUS dogma. These two are very different.

Atomized_Individual

My claim is simply that: "there is no proof of gods", and by that I mean the figures people build churches, mosques, synagogues and temples to worship. My claim stands. There is NO PROOF of gods.

maurice

You statement then is there is no pseudo human beings with supernatural abilities. To that I will concur.

Atomized_Individual

Which gods have been proven?

maurice

Again, if your only definition of "god" is a physical human-like being, I'll admit, none.

If you bother reading eastern philosophies, the concept of "god" is more in tune with a type of energy force. A universal consciousness, so to speak.

Those philosophical understandings are being tested and people are trying to devise lab experimentation to test the concepts.

As I said, read into mindfulness, positive thinking, quantum intuition, synchronicity. You can find peer articles that discuss test performed on Buddhist monks to film what they refer to as chi. You can find many other articles out there delving into modern understandings of energy manipulation, focused intent, etc(FYI, focused intent is prayer).

I'm not trying to debate the existence of physical humans that can snap their fingers and preform magick. I do not believe in such. There is no proof. To date, all magick, is nothing more than manipulations of scientific principles.

I'll agree all day and night, there is no magick man in the sky that watches like a pervert, making judgments based on whether or not you touch yourself, when you're alone.

Atomized_Individual

You're almost there. Keep going.

maurice

I've other things to do, so I'll leave you with a song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqR1cjuPXUg&index=19&list=RDAHukwv_VX9A

Atomized_Individual

I'm not a fan of song

dundundunnnnn

Jesus is GOD and he did live.

He died.

He lives again.

This is made evident through the examination of ancient non-Christian sources.

Lucian of Samosata

Babylonian Talmud

Josephus, a first century Jewish historian

Pliny the Younger

Jesus did live. The only thing up for questioning is his divinity. If a guy dies and rises from the dead, I believe that is divine. You may not.

auralsects

you know who was a pedofagjewkike blackmailer? TRUMP's mentor and handler Roy Cohn. OOPS

Oh_Well_ian

The entire government is full of child raping monsters.

The bullshit laws and rulings and how they play out in the media are 100% contrived.

We have been ruled by Pedophiles our entire lives.

You're right, it is a no brainer and anyone who tries to rationalize any of it, is either naïve or complicit. .

Heathcliff

Kennedy is the asshole we got after the nomination of Bork was torpedoed.