DeathToMasonsASAP

How many will ever be convicted "child pornographers"?

truthdemon

Present laws are enough to lock them all up... ..and provide compensation...

Dukers_the_Artists

I don't understand why, with everything we know, people put faith in Trump. A rich man from new York...... If he was as great as you say....he'd have been fighting this fight for decades. Don't be fooled....no one in power is clean...

Are_we_sure

Orrin Hatch tabled it - there are some good Dems left

Orrin Hatch is a Republican and I think you mean sponsored it. To Table something means to lay it aside for later consideration. To table something is to pause it.

As for Good Democrats, this bill passed the Senate by unamious consent which is like a 100-0 vote.

thelma

And now we are all child pornographers ...

commonsenseisded

"Another important provision in the bill gives victims access to the images depicting them, which can be important for victim identification, expert testimony, forensic review, and treatment." Am I the only one who views this as more damaging to a victim's psyche?

MolochHunter

yea I read it as an option in the process, not mandatory, and its merit is something to be weighed up case by case

remember, the psychic damage can be exacerbated both ways - either by seeing your own images and verifying that you were the victim depicted - or alternatively, by suffering the news of a Not Guilty by means of insufficient corroborating evidence

commonsenseisded

That's a good point,

fusir

D = CV*min(1,FR/FV)-CR

This is child pornography copyright. You will get more of it.

SeeHear

Next thing we know they will demand people use condoms in child porn. If not death, no punishment enough.

Crackrocknigga

Trump has visited Epstein's island

MolochHunter

at least, that was the story Fusion GPS promoted

Crackrocknigga

And witnesses

Rawrination

Sauce.

MolochHunter

who've all received a big payout from Gloria Allreds' Sex Allegation Fabrication Slush Fund, im sure

Cleanhobo

Ahhhhh ha hahahaha

ArtistiqueJewelry

Orrin Hatch went to Brigham Young University. This would not seem odd as he was from Utah, but originally he grew up in Pennsylvania in poverty. Brother was a nose turret gunner who was killed in 1945 and had a profound effect upon Orrin. Now was that an In to Brigham Young as he grew up in poverty.

His father was a metal lather which is truly awesome especially considering it was way back when. You don't suppose he made any special metals for the Free Masons do you? Just wondering since it's a semi free country still.

The mormons are connected to Free Masonry, though they don't like to admit it and I suspect Do Not broadcast it, but they are.

Orrin was involved in a mormon singing group and has been part of Hollywood and the Entertainment Industry. One might say as a conservative. . .but I believe it is clear at this point. . .they line up and play us all through this conservative/liberal rhetoric.

Hatch is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Although he was born in Pennsylvania, his parents had been raised in Utah and he had ancestors who were members of the LDS Church in Nauvoo, Illinois. Hatch served as a LDS missionary in what was called the "Great Lakes States Mission" essentially covering large parts of Indiana, Michigan and Ohio. Hatch has since served in various positions in the LDS Church including as a bishop.

Here's some of what he has accomplished in the Entertainment Industry;

Hatch plays Piano, Violin and Organ. Hatch has earned over $10,000 as an LDS music recording artist.

This is different!

In the early 1970s he was the band manager for a Mormon-themed folk group called the Free Agency. The Free Agency was made up of members of an earlier Mormon group called the Sons of Mosiah, that was formed when guitarist David Zandonatti and vocalist Ron McNeeley relocated to Utah after their San Francisco based psychedelic group Tripsichord Music Box disbanded in 1971.

Hatch appeared as himself in Steven Soderbergh's Oscar-winning drama Traffic, in a brief cameo in a scene set during a Washington D.C. cocktail party. Soderbergh later featured one of Hatch's songs, Souls Along The Way, in his film Ocean's 12 as background music for a scene in Hatch's home state Utah.

In 2009, at the request of The Atlantic correspondent Jeffrey Goldberg, Hatch authored the lyrics to "Eight Days of Hanukkah",[140] described by Goldberg as "a hip hop Hannukah song written by the senior senator from Utah.

Despite their political differences, Hatch was a longtime friend of fellow senator Ted Kennedy, speaking at his memorial service and publicly suggesting Kennedy's widow as a replacement for Kennedy in the Senate.

Hatch appeared in a scene in the Parks and Recreation episode "Ms. Ludgate-Dwyer Goes to Washington" alongside Cory Booker.

All of this is rather interesting.

He also has an award titled, Commander of the Order of the Star of Romania.

Roots in Free Masonry? Not sure, reminds me though of Order of the Eastern Star, which admits they are Free Masons and touts members such as Victoria Osteen. . .at least her father is, Clara Barton and Laura Ingalls Wilder just to name a few.

This is not a Biblical symbol and signaling towards a certain type of worship is False. . . as Solomon turned away from God and married many wives who taught him their occult rituals. Syn of Satan!** . Not God's called as they turned and rejected God. Not all rejected, but Solomon did and those who follow after this False Mystery Religion!

General Grand Chapter Logo

They are claiming it's pointing down to the manger. What a crock. They should give it up!

Clearly it's a pentagram no matter how much they try to polish it up, tie it into the Eastern Star. . .it is NOT. It is Satan's perverted, upside down and twisted world. Those who take a ride.. .end up defiled and preying upon Others!

So you might say, well these people who signal good works and "pretend" they are following or based on the Bible are lying. Their bible is based on their own false god who comes under many names. . .but all end up as serving satan. The ultimate deceiver coaxes them through their names like Grand, Commander, Knight, etc. These titles also were used in KKK just a Big Free Mason Front.

Basically they get these people in inflate their egos, tell them how much they are needed for The Cause, then as the cocoon of security, camaraderie slowly envelops them their defenses are down. Now they are encouraged to do this they otherwise Would not do. But they have after all come so far and are being told. ..the end justifies the means. After all aren't they doing a lot of good in the community and for others? This has been satan's MO since the beginning of time. Knowledge, false sense of security, fake cause cloaked in "do gooder rhetoric," which many fall for time after time. Doesn't matter if it's a democrat or a republican for those who are compromised.

Is this the case with Orrin Hatch? So far, lots of issues to be leery about.

Or is he just a Good Ole' Boy (GBO) as my dad liked to call people, but now I wonder, how many of those Good Ole' Boys were just posers, you know, like the players we tell our young daughters and friends to avoid?

Only Time will Tell!

Lynnwiod

$3000? -- Laughable.

How about forfeiting their entire net worth to be divided between victims?

MolochHunter

$3k is the minimum, so a poor convictee would pay that much and more wealthy perps would pay more

Diggernicks

This law will be abused just like the civil forfeiture law.

Rawrination

for trafficking in child pornography

The word trafficking there is wide open to exploitation. Hopefully the law will only be used as intended to help victims of abuse, but if we know one thing about the government it loves to stretch the limits with the use of law.

0fsgivin

Uhhh.. civil forfeiture doesn't require a conviction.

MolochHunter

just like the children, you mean

DeathToMasonsASAP

Both of you are correct.

ArtistiqueJewelry

I find this interesting in regards to Hatch,

Of course he is from Utah so one may expect that he went to Brigham Young. The problem with the Mormon faith is they are directly connected to Free Masons, though they would never admit This Is part of their history.

He did receive this award, Commander of the Order of the Star of Romania, Romania.

They use titles like Knight, Grand this or that. Reeks of what was done in KKK which was another Free Mason org. and other Free Mason groups like Order of the Eastern Star, which are admitted Free Masons.

Anyhow, these Free Masons as you all know, constantly keep a distraction from "pretending" they follow the Bible, but they have their own bible that subscribes to satan and when they say God, they are referring to their evil god. They virtue signal with good works, but that has Always been satan's MO. It entices people and makes them think it is a Good thing while slowly encompassing them in a cocoon where they feel secure enough to try different levels of wickedness. "Go ahead, it's okay!" Is what they tell their initiates!

They tout members such as Victorian Osteen. .. at least her father, Clara Barton and Laura Ingalls Wilder. History sure does look different standing on this end of the Bright Light!

He is connected to Hollywood and Entertainment Industry.

Hatch appeared as himself in Steven Soderbergh's Oscar-winning drama Traffic, in a brief cameo in a scene set during a Washington D.C. cocktail party. Soderbergh later featured one of Hatch's songs, Souls Along The Way, in his film Ocean's 12 as background music for a scene in Hatch's home state Utah.

Hatch's likeness was featured in the 30 Rock episode "Jack Gets in the Game" as one of Dr. Leo Spaceman's famous clients.[142]

In 2009, at the request of The Atlantic correspondent Jeffrey Goldberg, Hatch authored the lyrics to "Eight Days of Hanukkah", described by Goldberg as "a hip hop Hannukah song written by the senior senator from Utah."

Despite their political differences, Hatch was a longtime friend of fellow senator Ted Kennedy, speaking at his memorial service and publicly suggesting Kennedy's widow as a replacement for Kennedy in the Senate.

Hatch appeared in a scene in the Parks and Recreation episode "Ms. Ludgate-Dwyer Goes to Washington" alongside Cory Booker.

In the early 1970s he was the band manager for a Mormon-themed folk group called the Free Agency. The Free Agency was made up of members of an earlier Mormon group called the Sons of Mosiah, that was formed when guitarist David Zandonatti and vocalist Ron McNeeley relocated to Utah after their San Francisco based psychedelic group Tripsichord Music Box disbanded in 1971.

ArtistiqueJewelry

Thank you for sharing @MolochHunter . Is it okay if I share your post through the link here to PedogateFullExposure?

This is a difficult one!

I like the idea of it, though No One and No Amount of money could ever fully compensate for all the harm, anguish and horrors that seem to Never go away for these kids.

These people who preyed up on innocent and all Elitists Should have to pay retribution. Not just through monetary means as this means almost Nothing to Fat Cats. They should Also have to serve others in a capacity where they have zero access to children. Plenty of cities need rebuilding. I vote for Detroit Michigan for Duty. I realize it would take a team of vetted security and housing for these scoundrels, but they could recoup costs by running it as a live feed. Pedo's forced to pay back by rebuilding. There would be no squirming out of duties as they wouldn't have a desk job to prey upon other children and would be held accountable for actual physical, measurable Work!

What is questionable is Feinstein's name all over this along with her staff members.

I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth. . .but it causes me to wonder.

I always liked Gowdy, but did he really get much done? He was loud alright and made us cheer when he put Hillary in her place. . .but nothing really came of it.

If he truly is on the side of Good, I don't wish to badmouth him, but it is rather curious he is not coming back to,"spend time with family," I think is what I heard. Not saying that isn't a good reason, I just find it questionable.

Now perhaps he will be utilized in some manner with tribunals. I don't know.

I feel like I keep going back and forth on him.

In May 2018, Gowdy challenged President Trump's unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that the FBI had spied on his 2016 presidential campaign. As a result of this, Gowdy was attacked by various Trump allies, and Politico reported that Gowdy was "virtually alone, getting little support from his House colleagues." In June 2018, Speaker Paul Ryan came out in support of Gowdy, saying that Gowdy's assessment was "accurate.

Later he did call out the despicable conduct of Strzok and his cohorts, but seemed a bit late to the table.

I guess I'm just looking at everything from an over all viewpoint. Leaves me with lots of questions.

I am even more perplexed over Feinstein. Came across this info a while back.

Dianne Feinstein and all the corruption she has been involved in. Her husband in 1978 accused of pedophilia by two neighbors

https://steemit.com/pedogate/@artistiquejewels/169-dianne-feinstein-and-all-the-corruption-she-has-been-involved-in-her-husband-in-1978-accused-of-pedophilia-by-two-neighbors

I don't know enough about Hatch to comment on him.

Seems like Grassley's clean, or at least I've not come across anything questionable yet, and I hope I don't.

What are you all finding?

MolochHunter

Im very comfortable with Gowdy. When he does shit like attacking Trump over the spying allegation, what he's doing - like what Sessions did - was provide the optics of neutrality / impartiality / independence

and yer sure, share away - its not mine to withhold anyway, the news is all over twitter

ArtistiqueJewelry

Interesting theory on Gowdy!

Very possible they are causing tension on purpose. ..Good cop, bad cop sort of thing to dispel the whiners.

I sure hope he was playing the long game. Even before I was really awake, I Loved seeing him get after some of the corruption.

Hoping it wasn't just a show. Thank you! Wrote an article and saw some other interesting tweets on this. A little difficult to trace since they suspended two of my accounts.

Dorsey and Schiff hate me. I'm good with that! I don't need them!

Conway

Hmm, Be multi-millionaire, 16 year olds pretending to be 18 constantly send nudes in hope of getting your millions... Be 18 in high school, freshmen girls constantly sending you nudes in hopes of getting paid...

It sounds good in theory but, practice maybe a little ruff. Could this be specifically for bill clinton and the podesta bros?

MolochHunter

i think the law only applies to the PRODUCERS, not the consumers, of child pornography

Conway

So your gonna have 16 year old girls, borrowing phones and sneaking a boob selfie as a way of extorting money out of people.

Think of it like slip and fall negligence laws before cameras where everywhere. They are good in theory keeps the store owners on the ball shoveling snow and cleaning up spills, gives them incentive to do so. The reality of it was, people would slip and hurt themselves on purpose just to sue the store..

3141592653

You're worrying about all the wrong things. Suspicious...

Conway

Just seeing yet another avenue of revenue women can extort from men. Child support, alimony, marriage, now stuff like this and lets not forget California and it's mandated women on boards of directors..

MolochHunter

no, if the 16 yr old did that then THEY would be subject to a conviction of producing/trafficking child pornography

this law applies to those who make money off child pornography, not those who have spent money on child pornography

so a minor 'exploiting themselves' would be exempt from this law because technically as both the perp and the victim theyd be compensating themselves !

Conway

This has happened before, Girlfriend, takes pictures of self on boyfriends phone, boyfriend gets in trouble. Its her word vs his, If she did it, she is guilty of manufacturing child porn, if he did it, he is guilty of manufacturing child porn. Who does the court believe?

MolochHunter

the boyfriend shouldnt have a girlfriend of that age to start with, so theres more than child pornography to account for there

Conway

Meh, 17 16, he turns 18.. Be real..

MolochHunter

im certain a court would take that into account

Rawrination

You are naive and trusting. The courts are only there to protect our owners. If there is a way they can screw over a common person they will. Doubly so if it's a white male.

hurgona

If this is true, then IT'S BRILLIANT!

NOMOCHOMO

Orrin Hatch has refused to denounce the FLDS (Fundamentalist Mormons)

Warren Jeff's is still in prison for raping multiple underage girls, recording the rapes, engaging in sexual ritual abuse, and working thousands of children to death on construction sites.

Fuck Orrin Hatch. I'm not saying this bill isn't good.

But Orrin Hatch's political career has profited from his refusal to denounce Systemic Fundentalist Mormon Pedophilia and Child Abuse.

Do not trust Orrin Hatch

ArtistiqueJewelry

I would say that is a Huge Red Flag! Does he have Free Mason roots?

NOMOCHOMO

He is a Mormon (LDS not FLDS)

Mormons stole much of their ritual from Masonry. So I would suspect so

ArtistiqueJewelry

Yes! I did more research and just did an article on him.

Included the fact I found the tweet from Fusca here on Voat.

Had already done an article on Feinstein 2 months back, so dug on Hatch even though I'm supposed to be finishing up on Bush snr connected to JFK.

Couldn't stop when I found out his parents had roots in Utah though Orrin was born in Pennsylvania. You are right about the LDS.

He is heavily involved even wrote music, maybe still writes as he plays piano, violin and organ. Had a band in the 70's that included members from a psychedelic band. . .pretty weird roots there!

Also involved in getting a bank off. . . massive fraud and the pharmaceutical industry along with his son lobbying and major conflicts of interest!

Oddly enough involved in that bank fraud deal, was some shady political leader involved in purchasing a bunch of Orrin's CD's. Weirdest thing Ever. He co-wrote a song for W Bush's inauguration. And has been involved in the Entertainment industry in cameos and music. So wild, I had no idea!

Involved in Pharmaceutical Industry and son in lobbying.

These people are something. Just finished it with all the connections and sources here,

Free to read and no account needed. Just take what you need, and if you want to comment come back here so you don't have to get an account there.

https://steemit.com/pedogate/@artistiquejewels/amy-vicky-and-andy-child-pornography-victim-assistance-act-of-2018-passed-in-congress-and-a-closer-look-at-those-who-were

ReeceHolland

For the common people. Epstein and the likes are of course exempt. Just like the rest of the law.

Vindicator

Epstein has had to pay millions out to victims already...with many more to come.

Baichu

Good, his payment should be a lifelong one because it will take a lifetime for some to get over what he's done to them.

Vindicator

I think it ought to be a capital offense, personally, with all assets divided among victims.

Lansing-Michigan

Orrin Hatch is one of those senators who is retiring at the end of his term. HMMM.

carmencita

Romney is taking his place.

ArtistiqueJewelry

It is rather questionable.

letsdothis3

Thank you for pointing that out. Some people will be satisfied with the breadcrumbs.

ArtistiqueJewelry

Agreed!

SterlingJB

What do you mean by "Orrin Hatch tabled it - there are some good Dems left"? There are other issues here as well.

Lansing-Michigan

Orrin Hatch is republican ...far more of them are retiring at the end of their terms than democrats...

ArtistiqueJewelry

Corruption on Both sides for sure! They play the system against us.

I like Hannity, but it feels like he isn't always aware of this.

I put a Vintage Interview of Hannity and GHW in here, a summary and also the clip of what he says about Bush now.

Many buy into the two party system. This covers other info like tie in's with Q posts, so you can just scroll down midway to see Hannity's info as I analyzed the ink of the show Q recently dropped.

Free to read and No account required. You can just skim and leave.

https://steemit.com/qanon/@artistiquejewels/mainstream-media-batching-what-president-trump-meant-in-his-tweet-on-scott-free-they-are-so-busy-trying-to-mock-q-they-have-no

derram

https://archive.fo/Socb5 :

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