ASolo

Great thread Upvoat. Yeah boy I can't stand dudes voice either but hey those 50's people had an entirely different set of circumstances and programming. It's absolutely no wonder and then a COMPLETE wonder all at the same time how all these criminals get to the top. Not surprising at all considering every single one of that rat pack was involved in some high level controversy that to this day sends ripples through politics and Hollywood.

sunajAeon

Sinatra's success was related to the new emerging TV TV can make a walrus look look attractive

new4now

so true

DeathToMasonsASAP

Annnnnnnnnnnd.....zero arrest. Frank died a star, not a creep. Good ole crooked fbi.

3141592653

Frank Sinatra-- who was in the Rat Pack with known satanist Sammy Davis Jr

flyingcuttlefish

Frank Sinatra had a famous house in the desert where he entertained a lot ....

https://www.zillow.com/palm-desert-ca/frank-sinatra_att/

adaya

explains Mia Farrow relationship...& sets up pattern for her relationship w/ Woody Allen.

new4now

there was a husband between

Andre Previn

YogSoggoth

Sure everyone here knows, but Sammy Davis Jr. was a card carrying member of Anton Levays' Church of Satan. One day on a golf course with Jack Benny, he was asked what his handicap was. "Handicap?" he asked. "Talk about handicap. I'm a one-eyed Negro Jew." His mother was not exactly Afro Cuban. I just bought a tire from a guy from Cuba, and he has the six sided star with a bunch of yiddish written on the front window of the business. As you all know, I am part Ashkenazi, but I call a spade a spade.

septimasexta

The Ashkenazi are part Eastern European. Which part are you?

septimasexta

Yog=goy?

carmencita

Frank Sinatra was also featured in the movie The Manchurian Candidate. Another message? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056218/

The plot centers on the Korean War veteran Raymond Shaw, the progeny of a prominent political family. Shaw was a prisoner of war during the conflict in Korea and while being held was brainwashed by his captors. After his discharge back into civilian life, he becomes an unwitting assassin involved in an international communist conspiracy. Officials from China and the Soviet Union employ Shaw as a sleeper agent in an attempt to subvert and take over the United States government.

Another movie imitating real life? Sounds familiar.

ASolo

Great correlation. And we STILL have mobsters influencing even THIS President and most likely goomba's that aren't too far separated from the JFK assassination to this DAY.

carmencita

Yes and some are running our cities from behind the scenes. NY LA and Chicago surely. They Chicago Outfit is still going strong. People think both the mafia and the devil don't exist.

shewhomustbeobeyed

Even earlier than that he was in a movie called Suddenly 1954.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suddenly_(1954_film) - https://archive.is/3z4g9

The story concerns a small California town whose tranquility is shattered when the train of the President of the United States is scheduled to pass through the town, and a hired assassin and his henchmen take over a home as a perfect location to assassinate the president.

carmencita

OMG. Thank You. I had forgotten that. I have seen it but not for quite some time. People watching these movies never realize messages being sent. I used to think they were kind of laughing at us while telling us what they will do, but possibly they are messages to their "partners in crime" to inform them what is coming. That was a frightening picture for me.

shewhomustbeobeyed

I kinda always thought it was a veiled threat aimed at Eisenhower. He then tried to warn us about the military/industrial complex when he left office. A bit before my time, I think I was like 3 yrs. old when he died.

carmencita

Intelligent analogy and may be so correct! Yes He did warn about the MIC. Kennedy threatened: I will splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds. Then he was assassinated a couple years later.

benjitsu

That explains why he was so famous when he kind of stunk as a singer. I assume Adam Sandler (and know Oprah) is the modern version.

Are_we_sure

That explains why he was so famous when he kind of stunk as a singer.

This is insanity.

Dude had instant success. He was the first teen idol when he hit the scene. An early version of what hit Elvis and the Beatles later on.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/1121945gary-in-bobbysoxers-screech-and-applaud-as-frank-sinatra-sings-picture-id514945040

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/23/8f/22/238f22354ccad2d1b03485e8ab0fe10a.jpg

He was the premier interpreter of songs in the 20th century. To say he stunk as a singer to ignore all the things that made him great and put forgettable but technicially proficient singers over him. It's like claiming Larry Bird stunk at basketball because he couldn't dunk from the foul line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUrUfJW1JGk

Listen to that and then read this by Jazz Times about what set Sinatra apart.

Frank Sinatra went from teen idol to living legend, and, without formal training, developed a highly sophisticated style. His ability to produce long, flowing musical lines unbroken by pauses for breathing, his subtle use of the vocal techniques more commonly found in the opera and classical idioms, and his manipulation of phrasing, reminiscent of Billie Holiday, set him far above the average pop singer.

Like Elvis Presley, the next singer to experience mass adulation, Frank Sinatra developed a unique white-blues style, supple enough to express the wide range of his own turbulent emotions. He transformed the songs of the great writers into something personal by the sincerity of his performance; Sinatra actually seemed to believe the words he was singing.

He has faced triumph, failure and triumph again throughout his long career as an entertainer. New musical fads and trends have come and gone during his lifetime but this man and his music have remained at the forefront of American culture for nearly half a century.

Listening to his recorded legacy, an incredible body of work that spans 1939 to 1994, there can be little doubt that Sinatra is the single greatest interpreter of American popular song-the one performer who elevated what he referred to as “saloon singing” to a high art. A man who has enriched American music with countless superior recordings of many classic standards and provided the soundtrack for much of this century.

Sinatra has touched many lives and for this tribute, we spoke with a cross section of people from the world of jazz.

John Zorn: There are so many things about him. His musicality, his timing, his creativity.

Fred Hersch: Great phrasing, great breath control.

Joe Lovano: His personality, his feeling, his tone. Frank Sinatra emerged in the late ’30 and ’40s, alongside Billie Holiday and Lester Young and Coleman Hawkins and Ben Webster…Sinatra’s sound, his voice, had the same meaning and impact as the great improvisers and players of the tenor saxophone. He’s one of the few cats who spanned all these different generations and always projected amazing glow, like Miles Davis did, in a very similar way.

Tommy LiPuma: Miles told me that on Porgy and Bess, he wanted his trumpet to sound like Sinatra.

John Zorn: There are inside records, which are outtakes, from both the Capitol and Reprise years and on them, you hear take after take of Frank Sinatra and in a sense, he’s just as creative an improviser as Charlie Parker. Every take is different, he approaches each in a slightly different way. He’s always searching.

Sinatra’s a total musician in the sense that he’s not just a singer; he’s a passionate, dedicated, effective searcher who wants to be in control of all the action. He’s a perfectionist, as you can hear on some of the bootleg records from the studio. He knows how to set the mood, he knows exactly what’s happening in the orchestra. He’ll say, hey, that trombone player, that note is getting in the way of my range. I’m a little weak, he explains in a session, this note is a little weak, can you change the voicing of this chord. He knows exactly what’s going on and he gets what he wants.

Jimmy Amadie: In addition to his sound and presence, Sinatra has the ability to sing a tune in any style and make it sound like his own. The sound is always rich and full and no one interprets a tune that is more believable than the way he has with both the music and the lyrics. An example of this magnified is when you hear the music of the various arrangers in the background and the way in which Sinatra blends, it is chameleon-like. As a musician, you can feel what he is doing and at that moment you want to be a part of it.

sunajAeon

I am a musician and I have never understood why Sinatra was considered great-his voice is not naturally pleasing, although his phrasing is first rate But talk to the women of that era and they DON'T GIVE A SHIT if he was a gangster, or immoral, etc.-DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT SINATRA! Never understood it:)

Are_we_sure

But talk to the women of that era and they DON'T GIVE A SHIT if he was a gangster, or immoral, etc.-DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT SINATRA! Never understood it:)

He was a heartthrob and that's a powerful, powerful emotion. And you can find other examples from other era too of the same sort of thing. And it's a tricky thing, if person makes a beautiful song or painting or a movie, does the work not become beautiful if find out the creator was a jerk? I just read about how Clint Eastwood treated Sandra Locke and it's a great disappointment. Does that mean I can't like the movie Unforgiven?

I think peopled wanted to sing songs when Sinatra did them. He had something going on there. And that is not the case with some technically great voices. Sinatra put over the emotion. In addition to the women going for him, guys liked him too, wanted to be him. He was not a Justin Bieber heartthrob where his audience is almost all women.

I've read writers talk about listening to Sinatra growing up and he was one of the few outlets for men to get into their own emotions.

sunajAeon

I think it was Sinatra being made by TV for the first time- TV was new and exciting, a new phenomenon, frankly they can make just about anybody a star with technology

Are_we_sure

I think it was Sinatra being made by TV for the first time- TV was new and exciting, a new phenomenon, frankly they can make just about anybody a star with technology

Sinatra was a star years before he was on TV. And there are hundreds of thousands of would be stars you will tell your thesis is false.

sunajAeon

I think you're wrong about being a star before TV-he may have been backed by thugs in the beginning but after that he was a made man-by TV

Are_we_sure

Sinatramania and the bobbysoxers all happened before TV.

He was the star of radio's Hit Parade throughout the 1940's.

Here's a promo they would show in movie theaters from 1943 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn27HYX_DYI

sunajAeon

OK-so he was made a star by RADIO FIRST-THEN TV USE OF MODERN PUBLIC BROADCASTING TOOLS that made him/them (sorry for caps)

benjitsu

I was being an ass but then you go and compare him to manufactured hysteria like the Beatles and Elvis. FWIW Jim Morrison stunk too, was probably also a CIA plant, and SInatra was his fave too

Are_we_sure

You remain an ass and you should be prevented from hearing music ever again

benjitsu

I didn't even realize it was you or I would have given way less credence to your argument. Sinatra was a fucking hack and you know it

shewhomustbeobeyed

FWIW Jim Morrison stunk too, was probably also a CIA plant, and SInatra was his fave too

Spot on.

benjitsu

I know I triggered someone and I don't doubt he was light years better than today's musicians but that guy was wrapped up in a lot of worlds

shewhomustbeobeyed

I grew up having to listen to all that shit music of the 60s, as a musician myself I know that history will vindicate my opinion that when it comes to music. the 60s was the Dark Ages.

WanderingTaurus

Frank Sinatra stunk as a singer??? Are you kidding? !

What a damn shame. Now will never be able to listen to his music again :(

madhatter67

Bing was better though! Please don't make bing a pedo?

benjitsu

Are you being sarcastic? I had a best of record on this morning, don't get me wrong, and I liked "The man with the golden arm" but Phil Hrtman's characterization was a pretty apt one....DOOBEY DOO DOO DOSE CRA-ZY BROADS!

kazza64

bob hope is the other cia handler who liked and supplied underage girls

i_am_john_doe

funny enough, in the JFK files, i found a document showing that CIA was spying on Bob Hope. it was a report saying that Bob Hope and some girlfriend had just gotten off a plane in Miami. CIA was tracking Bob Hope's movements for years and maybe even decades. this memo lept out at me because i was puzzled--why the hell is Bob Hope in the JFKFiles and what in the fresh hell was CIA spying on him for?

kazza64

cathy obrien outs bob hope in trance formation of america its no big surprise he was the perfect handler with his powerful celebrity i see those men being interviewed on talk shows back in the day and they're just so smug and arrogant jerry lewis is another huge ego

new4now

Hey There.....

they have been using the tissue for HIV and AIDS

this article is dated May 14, 2001

https://cogforlife.org/aids-fetal/

I believe it's fetal tissue they are using to monkey with DNA

I thinking the older the better for those "scientists"

Hillary/ Dems and her late term abortions

I couldnt even do research part...that topic really hit me HARD

carmencita

In response to repeated written inquiries, NIH failed to provide a copy of the consent form used in this research or to directly answer whether women donating post-20-week fetuses to NIH-funded research using SCID-hu BTL mice were informed that tissue from their fetus was going to be transplanted into a mouse. The AGF spokesman was uncertain whether the women would have been so informed.

whether the women would have been so informed. The lies. The lies. I am sure they did not inform. If they also knew that the tissue is taken from their fetus while live, I am sure they would think twice about an abortion. We are the few that knew the truth and others are fed the lies. This is definitely a heart breaking subject, no wonder you had a problem to research.

new4now

they dont say what they all use the tissue for

had article, they use the livers for the mice, that makes them more human

these mice dont live long, so always needed

carmencita

so they need an endless supply. Sickening.

carmencita

I am also sickened by all the articles by life source regarding MOD March of Dimes too. The fetal tissue being taken from live fetuses. Immoral Murder.

Fsumom

Is there any leader worth following???

new4now

Trump has my attention :)

JopharVorin

Just more kikery. Not surprised at all.

Podge512

Maybe it really was the case that paedophile serial killer Angelo Buono was delivering child porn to Sinatra.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2760787

new4now

there's Mia Farrow to think about too

madhatter67

Who later married pedophile woody Allen

It's circles inside circles!

new4now

wonder on the husband in between,

it was that marriage where she adopted all those kids

some who died young

new4now

Thanks

shewhomustbeobeyed

You are always welcome.