Attn: Please vote on an addition to our Dangerous Research policy ( pizzagate )

submitted by Vindicator

In the 2.5 years I've been modding, I have never seen written child porn posted here. As a result, we do not have specific rules governing how to handle it. @shewhomustbeobeyed and @think- have requested we modify the Dangerous Research policy to require submitters of either Comments or Submissions containing written CP to not copypaste or quote the noxious content in the post (even covered by a spoiler), but instead link to it with a warning so users have to go out of their way to view it, not just hover their cursor over it.

Please comment and vote on the updated policy enumerated below (see last bullet).

First rule of v/pizzagate : We will ban your butt pronto* if you directly link to illegal pornographic images of kids

However, that doesn't mean you can't share research about pedo pornographers and organize campaigns to raise public outcry and force service providers to take down sites. Here's how to do so without endangering Voat or fellow voaters:

  • NEVER use the Link button to submit a dangerous url; always make a Discuss post
  • Break any link that leads to CP by adding spaces into the url so that users must copy and paste it into their browser
  • Precede dangerous urls or those that lead to them with a clear warning in bolded ALL CAPS of what lies beyond and that researchers proceed at their own risk and take proper security precautions.
  • If possible, try to make sure researchers have to click through at least two layers down before encountering actual images
  • Flair your post NSFW
  • Verbally describe the content you have found in enough detail to let other researchers decide how to proceed
  • If relaying written pornographic material about children, please do not copypaste or quote the noxious content. Instead, provide a broken hyperlink to an archive of it, just as you would with images."

As added insurance, mods may flair a post "Potential Security Risk".

Outting these slime and the human turds who protect and fund them is a vital part of our mission, and Voat's anti-censorship commitment makes this one of the few forums where documenting that effort is possible. Let's help each other use that power and freedom responsibly.

If you discover someone has linked to illegal content in a submission...

  • Use the "Report" button to report the illegal content
  • Leave a comment in the thread alerting other users to what you saw (describe verbally), and ping mods in the comment
  • Downvoat the submission
  • Run a full malware scan
  • Report to hosting site and law enforcement

Additional helpful links:

Voat User Agreement https://voat.co/help/useragreement

Friendly reminder to protect yourself when researching by @PizzaGate98023984 https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1447864

How to be safe on the internet. FULL GUIDE! by @pplum_ https://voat.co/v/whatever/1444631

How to Make a Difference: Observe and Report by @followthemoney https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1439796

Friendly Reminder: Shills have used coordinated CP/report attacks before by @nomorepepperoni https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1775422

Note: *Banning may be Voatwide. We report illegal content to the Voat CEO, who will retain submitter data for liability purposes.

septimasexta

Yes. Good addition.

Lansing-Michigan

No CP on Voat.

21yearsofdigging

Thanks for this, I absolutely agree.

Antiracist10

Reminder that mod of pizzagate @Crensch literally is pro child fuck dolls.

@eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha

new4now

I vote Yes for adding the great suggestion to the side rules

I havent come across any, and dont want to

Researching is hard enough

19597281?

I am in favour but would like clarification.

• Break any link that leads to CP...

• Verbally describe the content you have found in enough detail to let other researchers decide how to proceed

•If relaying written pornographic material about children, please do not copypaste or quote the noxious content.

What's the difference between written CP and describing visual CP?

Vindicator

Good question. "Verbally describe" will need to be changed to "Summarize".

darkknight111

Whatever method does the best job balancing exposing pedos with safety is best.

BTW, I’ve been digging to see just how deep the pedo infestation in Voat really is. The results so far...are not pretty. Much worse than any one of us could have ever imagined.

Vindicator

As long as @PuttItOut allows them a sandbox, they will play in it.

justgamedev

Exactly man this is not a game

First rule of v/pizzagate : We will ban your butt pronto* if you directly link to illegal pornographic images of kids

However, that doesn't mean you can't share research about pedo pornographers and organize campaigns to raise public outcry and force service providers to take down sites. Here's how to do so without endangering Voat or fellow voaters:

NEVER use the Link button to submit a dangerous url; always make a Discuss post Break any link that leads to CP by adding spaces into the url so that users must copy and paste it into their browser> Precede dangerous urls or those that lead to them with a clear warning in bolded ALL CAPS of what lies beyond and that researchers proceed at their own risk and take proper security precautions.

Not saying that this is the case here but people tend to post lot of weird stuff online and I've seen some websites being taken down from hosting, AND search engines because some user uploaded CP as avatar... and then admins got irrepairable consequences (dont remmber the domains but one for sure is still outside of search engines after many years of trying to report and explain that it is not their fault)

Mammy

I don't even know what written CP is, but I can imagine. So, yes vote from me. Shadilay @Vindicator .

Vindicator

Back at ya Mammy. :-)

Imnotshocked

This is comforting to know this is being takin seriously. Thank you! Will this apply to vqrv too? I’m in favor of this definitely!

Vindicator

QRV could create such a policy if they desired, but the mods there have chosen not to do so.

Draintheshwamp

I vote in favor of the new proposal.

lamplight

CP is wrong, illegal and evil. Setting rules that prohibit CP images on posts is the right thing to do and banning it on Voat is necessary. Although anyone who must review this crap to prosecute perps is required but it doesn't belong here. I vote to keep any actual CP off of the pizzagate forum.

Vindicator

Thanks, lamplight. Voat's definition of "CP" is "phots or videos of real children" so we have to decide as a community we are going to require stricter standards than that.

SWMBO

For the record, I have not asked for the rules of PG sub to be changed. If I did I really do not remember.

I like 1st amendment.

I vote for free speech. No child porn, picture or written. Is this one of the options, cause that's my vote.

Thank you for spending time making this, Vindicator.

Vindicator

You requested written CP be removed to a distance and linked with a warning, which is completely reasonable. Because that was not required by our current ruleset in the sidebar, the policy needs to be modified.

SWMBO

which some might argue reduces the ability of anti-pedo activists to persuade the userbase that Voat needs to ban all Loli subverses that harbor legal (written and cartoon) CP.

Anti-pedo activists can go somewhere else to persuade users of things. This is PG sub, not rally the troops sub.

The vast majority in this subverse will not click the link to see what is being exposed and then be motivated join the effort to eradicate it from Voat, so one could argue your proposed change and "vote for free speech" are inconsistent.

One could argue that if they were a retard. Not PG subs job to motivate brigading. Not ever.

darkknight111

I’d argue that anti pedo subs are our allies, just with different jobs.

We at v/pizzagate hunt the elite pedos, they hunt the rank and file.

Some method of intel sharing needs to be devised.

shewhomustbeobeyed

Thank you for your thoughts on this darkknight. I do agree that intel sharing is crucial in fight against pedos, just don't think posting CP smut is way to do it.

I think that you can figure out a way with the mods of PG to present it better than other submitters can. you write your thoughts better.

Vindicator

Not PG subs job to motivate brigading. Not ever.

Who said anything about brigading? I am referring to petitioning Putt to stop allowing Loli and giving pedophiles a safe harbor.

Anti-pedo activists can go somewhere else to persuade users of things.

Why would they want to go anywhere but the main place on Voat where their most sympathetic audience resides?

This is PG sub, not rally the troops sub.

Wrong. We explicitly allow and encourage activism to protect kids .

shewhomustbeobeyed

Thanks for unban, should have checked this alt first before replying.

I am referring to petitioning Putt to stop allowing Loli and giving pedophiles a safe harbor.

This is where I get confused, none of this says elite to me, but is allowed as META?

Is this the section that applies?

How to make a powerful, non-meta Information Warfare submission

As always, you should clearly state a premise that advances the Pizzagate/Pedogate investigation; then support it with linked sources. In the case of public awareness efforts, it might look like this:

  1. A headline that clearly states the proposal and how/why you think it will help advance the investigation
  2. A more detailed description of what is proposed and why, and possibly why it is needed now, or is superior to other possibilities
  3. Links to research from the investigation that should be included, examples of similar publicity efforts and why they were effective, how-to resources that would be helpful, etc.

To bring maximum crowd-sourced energy, talent and momentum to the task, be specific. The specifics you provide inspire others to contribute additional specific material, ideas and improvements and lead to targeted, specific action people can take to make a difference.

Meanwhile, as the comment discussion unfolds in these positive action plan posts about what to do to raise awareness, there will be plenty of natural opportunity to discuss some of the "meta" issues people worry about. So, for example, if you want to talk about what happens if Trump does not follow through, don't slap an unsourced discussion up that will have to be removed. Instead, submit a piece about organizing a letter campaign to Trey Gowdy or Melania -- with a link to a draft letter, and links to research to be included. The concrete letter campaign is the "what," any meta discussion about the need for it is the "why." And the trolls? BTFO! ⛐

I can see how submissions for activism are allowed, but still don't see how the other post was in compliance with rules 1 and 2.

think-

If relaying written pornographic material about children, please do not copypaste or quote the noxious content. Instead, provide a broken hyperlink to an archive of it, just as you would with images.

Thank you very much for writing this post, and for writing a proposal for adding a term to our Dangerous Research policy, @Vindicator .

May I suggest to put the quote above at the top of your post, so that users will immediately see what they can vote on - this way, they don't have to re-read the whole Dangerous Research policy text again.

I'd also suggest to explain that 'vote' doesn't mean upvoting this submission, but leaving a comment for or against the additional term in the comment section (this is how I understood this sticky).

Thank you. :-)

And I will place my vote in favour of your proposal. ;-) :-)

@shewhomustbeobeyed @Crensch @EricKaliberhall @letsdothis3

Vindicator

Sure, I will clarify. I kind of wanted folks to reread the policy though, TBH.