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From what I've read so far, I don't think this is MK Ultra.

It is very sad what happened to her, but not every grooming and coercion scenario is necessarily MK Ultra.

I think we water it down when we use it for situations where it doesn't apply.

Also, I think people cannot develop DID in later years (as teenagers), it happens only when children are very young, 0-6 years old iirc.

Mind_Games

You have to point out that "watering it down" is saying that the facts are presented, over and over, (within a very deliberate construct) by mass media. "Stranger things" , "Avengers" and , "Conspiracy Theory" all speak about it..and pass it over as if its common knowledge.

Most people I've talked too about MKUltra have "never heard of it" , yet when I ask them , most have seen all of these movies (or at least 1 of them) When I use the dvd to go to the parts in the movies on the MK Ultra topic they all have the bewildered /dumbfounded look and respond the same "I guess I don't remember that part, and I just didn't think about it"

It's "In plain sight" which is their goal. To tell the "jokes" and their actions/beliefs/behaviors while the cattle just nod along and laugh when the laugh tracks tell them too. It's beyond disheartening.

Vindicator

@Premeditated123 , please edit this to explain how training a teen you hired to do this stuff is MKUltra? We try to substantiate all major claims here in v/pizzagate (Rule 2). I'll give you the 24 Hour Grace flair, so you can edit. Thanks.

Premeditated123

“'Over the next few weeks, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell trained me to do what they wanted, including sexual activities and the use of sexual toys,' she wrote.

'The training was in New York and Florida, at Epstein’s mansions. It was basically every day and was like going to school. I also had to have sex with Epstein many times.“

How do you TRAIN a child to be raped and used by grown adult men “like going to school”? “Hired teen”? Really? At 15, her brain is fully developed enough to willfully participate and understand the harm being done to her?

Vindicator

Of course her brain isn't fully developed. But that doesn't necessarily make this MKUltra.

Your thesis is that the media is not discussing the fact this is MKUltra. You need to show that her "training" involved the elements of MKUltra if you're going to make that kind of a claim in a research submission. If you want to make a speculative submission, you can do that in our speculative subverse, v/pizzagatewhatever . We try to keep stuff in the main sub limited to what there is some support for.

EricKaliberhall

God dag @Premeditated123 ,

The 24hr Grace period is over and no edit has been made. I will delete this submission per rule 2, Empiricism. For more information please read our subverse rules located in the sidebar. Tack.