Childrens author found dead, along with wife and 3 children. Cops say no danger to public and no investigation. ( pizzagate )

submitted by EnterTheUnKnown

SO I know you PG mods are anal as fuck, so you can put a 24 hour flair or whatever on this. I feel it is very odd. Potentially fits PG narrative as The father, Joseph Zaccardi, was a childrens author.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/10/08/abington-massachusetts-family-found-shot-dead/3905986002/

https://heavy.com/news/2019/10/deirdre-joseph-zaccardi-family/

Some links above. Something isnt quite right. Pigs say no threat to public and no investigation.

Vindicator

Removing per Rule 1.

Vindicator

@EntertheUnknown , based on the research here in the Comments, I can't see much evidence this is pizzagate related.

I'm surprised no one has analyzed the actual dead guy's children's stories. I'll go ahead an give this the 24 Hour Grace flair and leave up a bit longer in case anything turns up in that department. Othewise, I'm going to have to remove this tomorrow.

EnterTheUnKnown

That sounds good. I wasnt sure if it was PG or not. Just seemed awful suspicious. We have seen a few childrens authors that were despicable. What really alerted me to the possibility, was the author was hardly mentioned, and almost no mention in most articles, to him being a childrens author. Seemed odd.

I agree with the 24, if it is nothing, then we move on.

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS

"Bark For Me Publications" The Nine Gradations of Light sounds like Order of Nine Angles occult language.

Bay area connection:

He was appointed poet Laureate of Marin County

Lots of grim references in his poems, we sure he was a children's author?

From CUTOUT:

The father had his son turn away from him and kneel;

had him bow his head as though they were going to pray

together. Without another word he put a shotgun to the boy’s neck.

Then he walked away.

kestrel9

He was not the child author or the person OP posted about in the murder/suicide, they share the same name. @Vindicator this confusion over identity requires a flair or OP needs to clarify that the person in question is NOT the poet that we keep finding when we search the name.

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS

Thank you @kestrel9 for the clarification, I'll remove my speculations on the other author... Hate going down the wrong rabbit hole.

At this point, morbid poetry and Marin address is enough to get me wondering.

kestrel9

You're welcome.

At this point, morbid poetry and Marin address is enough to get me wondering.

Good point :)

TheMystic

Took a quick look and thought I would save you all some time on digging through Joseph Zaccardi the poet.

He is not the same person as Joseph Zaccardi the children's book author, that was discovered dead along with his family.

The poet is much older, compare the pictures, plus he was a Vietnam vet, the other guy was 43 years old. The Vietnam war was over by the time he was born....

kestrel9

@Oh_Well_ian @carmencita @Not_Spartacus (thanks for posting the poem though) OP gave bad info in the title. Now an author with same name is falsely linked to both murder suicide and falsely accused of writing about cannibalism of a stillborn as related to said murder/suicide that he had nothing to do with. Keep PG standards high by supporting the deletion of @EnterTheUnknown 's post.

kestrel9

He is not the same person as Joseph Zaccardi the children's book author, that was discovered dead along with his family.

Thank you. You've demonstrated how important it is to not assume that what an OP says in an title is based on the links given (I assumed he was the author based on title). And that non related Children's book author with same name as the deceased would have had PG FALSE accusations (he wrote a poem about cannibalism of a stillborn!) spreading across the net if this board doesn't get it right. Based on that, this post should be removed imho, ideally by OP @EnterTheUnKnown or by a mod @Vindicator PG gets enough ridicule when it doesn't deserve it, why provide posts that would deserve ridicule by demonstrating that our standards of proof are a fail, if we do nothing about it.

WhiteRabbit44

Why are you so fucking concerned if some sleeping sheeple ridicules PG?

kestrel9

You do the math Mr. Bunny https://pics.mcclatchyinteractive.com/news/nation-world/national/t26uqn/picture121294263/ALTERNATES/LANDSCAPE_1140/Gunman%20Pizza%20Shop

Why are you so concerned (and you're using an alt to hide behind) that I don't want a person who has nothing at all with PG to be accused of writing about eating dead babies and being confused with a murderer? And to not have ding dongs spreading rumors like that across social media?

Vindicator

Thanks for the ping, K9. I will remove it after the flair has run out. The initial claim has been debunked. But I'm curious to see if anyone comes up with sketchy content from the guy's children's books. I didn't see that addressed.

kestrel9

I did look at the books (samples of front covers/backcovers). Nothing from what I saw to warrant the topic belonging on PG, (granted I haven't read the books. There were a couple sentences (young kids books). He did the illustrations. Given that we know about the murder suicide, I did get the sense about him as an author that (while speculative) may play into whatever possible motives that led to what happened: 1. His few books didn't seem to that successful or in demand. 2) Some things about the books seemed awkward (made me think he might be a bit 'off' in some way) example: a story about a mixed up elephant, his body parts are in the wrong place. How to fix it? "shake him?". Something like that. 3). The number of books compared to the number of years he's been doing it seemed slim (but maybe they're fully illustrated so that may take longer), and 5) There were little to no book reviews. On was rated one star. One had no stars, and a few had two reviews had high ratings. (could have been someone they knew put those in there).

The pictures of him I've seen he seems immature. Maybe he's on the spectrum as they say. If they were under financial stress or if the marriage was having issues and he was not quite right, then murder suicide may be a result of a mind (his) that believes everything is going to be taken from him anyway.

EnterTheUnKnown

I aint removing shit

kestrel9

I just edited that one (I had the others and overlooked this one). It's true that he wrote at least one children's book. The case was not closed (so that was not accurate), and the technically as you stated, the post doesn't adhere to the rules. That being said, I took back my asking you to remove the post. I would only ask that you clarify that there are 2 Joseph Zaccardi, one the murderer who wrote the children's book and another one who is a poet that shows up in searches of the name. People here spent a lot of time looking into this on your behalf, and just a while ago another person came across the wrong person (the poet) and wrote about him. Editing that info to your original post doesn't seem like a lot to ask.

TheMystic

Thanks, it gets confusing but the dead guy in the original post is a children's book author and the poet is just some guy with unfortunately the same name as him.

I agree that people need to look into these things better. Accusing innocent people doesn't make us look good.

kestrel9

Thank you for taking time to see what we all overlooked.

EnterTheUnKnown

Thanks for pointing out the difference. Looks like some were getting confused.

kestrel9

People search and come up with the poets name. Please take 2 minutes of your time to make a note that there are two writers by the same name: one a childrens' book author and the other a poet. You've known this for 5 hours. I spent way to much time dealing with your post that you knew didn't meet the rules. No one could have foreseen that there were two writers, sorry I misspoke on that part of your title, I read @TheMystic 's comment over a bit too quickly.

kestrel9

You introduced the confusion from the start, in your title.

EnterTheUnKnown

My title clearly says CHILDRENS AUTHOR

kestrel9

Your post should clearly differentiate the CHILDRENS AUTHOR from the poet with the same name, who's work is subject of most of this thread. He had nothing to do with the murder/suicide case.

EnterTheUnKnown

Seriously dude, you need to stop telling me what the fuck to do.

kestrel9

Then you need to stop posting non research on a research sub and wasting people's time.

EnterTheUnKnown

Again with the telling me what the fuck to do. Who the fuck are you?

Some shady shit went down with a childrens book author, entire family killed. I put that clearly in the title, dropped multiple links to articles. Then I posted it to a "research sub" so people could do RESEARCH.

kestrel9

whatever troll

EnterTheUnKnown

Sure faggot

kestrel9

If something doesn't meet the rules of staying on topic within the sub, it's not being anal to flair it.

kestrel9

Delete this post fool. He wasn't a the Children's author. @Vindicator

Not_Spartacus

To Feast on the Flesh of Decay

Suppose first light spikes between limbs of the black ash

into the dog kennel where hounds brace their paws

against chain links and their spittle turns to vapor

as the farmer brings them water and a kettle of scraps

then goes back to the main house to help his wife in labor

and suppose he genuflects and counts her rapid breaths

and feels the thrum of blood move through her body

his trousers’ knees and shirt sleeves wet as he waits

to catch the stillborn they’ve named Maia of the Angels

while outside a breeze rattles the wheat stalks and stirs

the chaff left on the field hayed days before it flowered

suppose this farmer returns to the barn for a shovel

to bury their child and in the rafters hears the rustle

of rats in the loft while his hounds bay to stalk a fox

while his wife Marta wraps their baby in white cloth

if you think everything disappears fully think again

suppose come late spring she digs up her child’s

scaffold of white bones and presses them to her breast

to suckle her loss and what if she eats the grave dust

under her own nails and what if the farmer does

what needs doing back in the hayloft

by pushing down a bale of fodder

for the milk cows

Joseph Zaccardi served as Marin County, CA poet laureate (2013-2015), and during his tenure published and edited Changing Harm to Harmony: Bullies & Bystanders Project. CW Books published his fourth poetry book, A Wolf Stands Alone in Water. His poems have appeared in Cincinnati Review, Poetry East, Spillway, and elsewhere.

carmencita

That poem is as dark as it gets. Morbid and sickening. Connects to cannibalism. Eating a fetus? Sorry but you can say it can mean something else in his mind but really it is a sick poem. Really sick. @Oh_Well_ian

kestrel9

WRONG, nice standing up for lazy ass @Oh_Well_ian Apparently neither one you know much about poetry. You're a mind reader too? What am I thinking?

carmencita

Please stop the name calling. You and Ian are both great researchers. We must respect each other. I am not a published poet but have written some. No I don’t profess to have all the answers here. That is why we are looking at all of it. This may turn into nothing but it all must be turned over before we are done.

kestrel9

This may turn into nothing but it all must be turned over before we are done.

It turned out to be a case of mistaken identity (because the poet had the same name as the murder/suicide case children's author. I stand corrected on that point (and using edits have struck out some things I said) but I stand on my take on the poem which has nothing to do with cannibalism of a stillborn. (Not even the same guy so attributing a gruesome assumption to the poem is even more off base at this point).

carmencita

Its gruesome and sick. I still think it smacks of something macabre. No matter who wrote it. Just a different opinion that’s all.

kestrel9

After researching I believe there are elements in the poem that may refer to Feminist Goddess worship and concepts stemming from or borrowed from Hinduism.

kestrel9

We must respect each other.

True, and part of that is respecting the purpose of this subverse. OP began with a negative connotation about the mods and proceeded to post on something he believed didn't make the grade. Fine. It's then up to the "great researchers" to see if the case holds merit to stay. @Oh_Well_Ian had a rush to judgement and didn't follow through. I decided to look and see if he was onto something but he wasn't. He took that personally and was obstinate, to the point of blaming me as part of the problem of there being a lack of involvement on this sub. I disagree and feel fine about pointing out his poor judgement and lack of effort on this particular post.

That is why we are looking at all of it. This may turn into nothing but it all must be turned over before we are done.

Who's turning over anything but conjecture and jumping to poorly founded conclusions? I made a good case to ian and welcome any earnest attempt to come up with a better explanation. Since he has made no such attempt, I consider that lazy. Since he blames me for the state of PG, I think he's behaved like an ass. People can come to their own conclusions.

terddferguson

Hate to get involved in this, and hate even more that sometimes people reach reaaaallly far to draw conclusions and connections regarding PG . IMHO this is one case where some critical thinking might have prevented this debate. I don’t see anything nefarious in the poem - rather it speaks of a sorrow so deep and unfathomable that it can’t be put in to words.

kestrel9

I agree the poem is one about grief over loss ("sorrow so deep and unfathomable" well said btw), specifically of the loss of an expected child. It's an intense poem that captures that imho.

Oh_Well_ian

How can any honest and capable Investigator wrap up a case within an hour of viewing a crime scene involving the murder of an entire family?

No previous domestic violence?

Gee... why not check the banking records, associates and friends of the father before calling him a murderer?

kestrel9

Cruz said that the investigation was ongoing but that it appeared "to be an isolated incident."

"ongoing" indicates NOT wrapped up in an hour.

"When something unimaginable like this happens, there's always going to be more questions than there are going to be answers," Cruz said. "This is just a horrible, horrible event here for the town of Abington."

Abington police Chief David Majenski said there was no history of domestic issues with the family.

No history indicates no reported history. NOT that there couldn't have been any that was unreported.

You said "LOOKY HERE LAZY COPPERS"

I say you're a lazy researcher who doesn't read enough to comprehend what they actually wrote.

Don't bother with the 'la la la and blah blah blah' I already get that you could give a shit.

Vindicator

Can we get a link for this abomination, for the record?

User_name1

I could be a murder/suicide. That would wrap it up quickly. I did however love heavy wrapping it up succinctly with "Here’s what you need to know:" They don't even try to hide it just tell the sheeple what they need to know. move along now nothing to see here.

Good find op keep digging.

kestrel9

He doesn't dig. Read my comments to him, I dug on his behalf and he failed to dig up anything that warrants this being a case belonging in PG instead of PGWE (if even that).

Maybe someone else here will dig and prove me wrong but I doubt it.

kestrel9

oh_Well_idiot @Oh_Well_ian who can't tell the difference when someone is speaking specifically as opposed to overgeneralizing. Instead of worrying about what I say, you should correct yourself on the comment regarding the poem. The murder/suicide had nothing to do with that, and the poet just happens to have the same name. I admitted to believing that they were the same, and given all your self congratulations on your own work (which I'm not dissing btw), you should be able to correct yourself too in this specific case.

Oh_Well_ian

Uhhh… I was out for the last 3 hours and I came back to your obsession with my comment, you fucking faggot.

Calling me LAZY and otherwise shitting on my reputation is not productive, shitbag.

I'm looking through your own history on this sub and what do you know... I'm having a tough time finding a single relevant submission.

EnterTheUnKnown

This faggot has been talking shit to me to. What the fuck is he scared of?

kestrel9

I already talked to Oh_Well_ian and admitted where I thought I was wrong. Are you afraid to do the same?

EnterTheUnKnown

And where was I wrong?

kestrel9

Actually, if you just make a note about there being two Joseph Zaccardi, both are writers, and that your post is NOT about the Poet who's name tends to come up first in searches, that would be all I would expect as a courtesy to people who just get here and read your post without digging through the whole thread. Technically the case is not closed, but at this point I don't even care about that being in your title.

EnterTheUnKnown

Yea, I have this problem, when people think they have control over me and think they can tell me what to do.

I aint changing shit, I aint editing shit. Anyone can come in the thread, see the developments, and understand what the deal is.

kestrel9

Troll alert, this user doesn't care if researchers waste their time on things he could save them time on, all for a post he knows never fit the PG rules to begin with.

EnterTheUnKnown

Right, I dont do what you say, so I must be a troll. You operate like the government. Who the fuck are you. Why are you hijacking the post. What are you trying to hide?

kestrel9

So you do know how to dig! /s

kestrel9

It's not about eating a stillborn fetus.

Oh_Well_ian

I take the meaning from the title.. poetry is highly subjective as you know, so there are no universal meaning in any poem

feasting?

kestrel9

Given the rest of the poem it appears to be about grieving the loss of the stillborn. And describing the feasting on ashes of loss may be a way to drive that home.

Oh_Well_ian

lol please... is it not simply IRONIC that the title describes Pizzagate PERFECTLY

la la la…

read the rest of this dead guys drivel..

SUICIDE WEEKEND

kestrel9

I've corrected some of my miss-takes on this case due to mistaken identity. The guy you are talking about is a different person, but has the same name as the person OP posted about.

Oh_Well_ian

yes… I gathered that and perhaps I could have looked closer but that was the very first hit that came back, sooo..

I do believe that comments do not have to cross the same bar as submissions, though.

kestrel9

Also, yes comments don't generally cross the same bar as submissions unless those comments are being used to confirm/help whether or not a submission itself does/can cross that bar. In this case no, yours didn't claim to do that outright. But still it's important for those who may read the thread briefly, to correct the record on mistaken identity within comments such as yours with the poem, so that they don't assume that the poet was part of a murder/suicide. Not a great time to have that name :-/ and be an author (especially of that poem).

kestrel9

I messed up on the submission when I found out it wasn't the poet. I assumed he wasn't a child author either (I read too fast) so had to bad track on comments I made to OP. It's an understandable case of mass confusion, the only real conflict between us had to do with interpreting that poem. I focused too much on that and not catching the mistaken identity. Live and learn. Cheers, sorry for getting irritated at you.

kestrel9

Post links and I will read it.

Writing that poem is not PG. Even the murder suicide is not PG from what we've seen so far. I doubt the guy is going be given kudos as a poet for writing a poem about eating a fetus.

Just because I disagree with your jump to conclusions doesn't make what I say wrong. It's not PG unless you come up with ties to an elite cult. Or a reason someone would want the family dead (aside from a husband who was likely mentally ill).

Oh_Well_ian

I didn't post it, faggot.

Just because I don't agree with your concern trolling... blah blah blah..

It's faggots like you that are the reason this sub has 5 people on it, when it had 1500 before.

kestrel9

It's not concern trolling. It's keeping up the standard of research on the board. You are too lazy to provide any links to make your case and substantiate your opinion, instead you attack someone who does. If you don't think PG should stay on topic that's your problem, just don't try to force a non related post and act like it meets the standards for submissions with lifting a finger to explain why. Oh, because he used the word "feasting" in a title of a poem. Get the fuck out.

jealoushe

omg....definitely needs more digging

EnterTheUnKnown

See, I knew you slueths could dig up some stuff. Thanks. My research skills suck. But I can sniff out sometjhing that doesnt feel right, with the best of them.

kestrel9

You said the following, over 5 hours when you knew this comment of yours is wrong.

Yea, I have this problem, when people think they have control over me and think they can tell me what to do.

I aint changing shit, I aint editing shit. Anyone can come in the thread, see the developments, and understand what the deal is.

So come here and see you argee with something based on mistaken identity? You know it's off, you know it wastes people's time and you give zero fucks because you're a troll. @Vindicator

You don't pass the sniffer test yourself. You should edit and apologize or get the fuck out.

EnterTheUnKnown

What the fuck are you going on about. He dug, I thanked him. Later, we figured out there happens to be two weird ass dudes with the same name. We figured out the difference. Everybody in here knows.

I cant apologize, becasue I did nothing wrong. You can call me a troll or whatever the fuck, you are just deflecting. The only person I see in this entire post of mine who is acting like a troll and hijacking off topic, IS YOU.

kestrel9

Admit your error and delete the post.

kestrel9

sleuths

Hardly. They didn't make the case.