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RakerKey

Great info - Thanks !

CryptoBard

I've noticed a major drop off in the quality of informational combatants on these subjects, they're not sending their best anymore. We've almost completely exhausted the resources of mossad. I noticed the panic spy sat the other day.

Vindicator

We broke several of their best Voat consensus-crackers here over the past year. I won't lie...it was tough. We lost a couple of really good people. But we broke their hold on Voat, and they have never been able to recover. It's been glorious, frankly.

Joe10jo

Thanks for sharing! 👍

FairbairnSykes77

This is false. In order for her (or any citizen) to be tried by a military court she would need to be declared an “enemy combatant” per the Law of Armed Conflict. Further according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice:

“In a time of declared war or a contingency operation, persons serving with or accompanying armed forces in the field...”

HR-6166 signed by GWB in 2006 further clarifies tribunals are exclusive for violations of the laws of war”

Nothing in the charging instrument comes anywhere close to this for Maxwell. She can only, ONLY be tried in an American Federal Court per her constitutional rights.

It is completely illegal for the government to do so in any fashion and a 3rd rate public defender would be able to get it thrown out and overturned if any entity even considered attempting this.

TLDR; tribunals for citizen non combatants is illegal.

CryptoBard

Alright, I'm back, and not completely full of beer this time, I started rereading what you said, perhaps she's going to be the public trial that hopefully gets things rolling. I still don't know though, crimes against humanity my man... they're really, really bad. You seem like a cool, Legal Eagle type, that's cool, you had a good comeback too.

FairbairnSykes77

All good my man, I enjoy this topic immensely (obviously). My work now is M&A and anti-trust but I studied quite a bit of constitutional law back in the day and found it fascinating, especially the historical context behind these rulings. Right as I was beginning my career the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were kicking off and there was no shortage of legal opportunities to re-examine and challenge the case law for when a citizen is and is not protected by what I believe is the most important document ever recorded, save for the Bible.

Apologies as well if my attempt at humor came off dickish,

It was intended to be flippant but not disparaging.

Another Goat accounted for her location today (above) so that settles it for now. And you are correct about the term “crimes against humanity”. Many people are not aware that sexual trafficking and human enslavement meets that criteria.

We should all be glad this is in federal court where the evidence, witnesses, examination etc is all public record. I’m curious as hell if she and Epstein were in fact involved, or how involved they were and with whom else....OR was she just facilitating his perversions but it didn’t go further.

Should make for fascinating reading!

CryptoBard

I can tell you're passionate about the law, similar to how I am with aerospace, your 10 inch joke was hilarious.

FairbairnSykes77

It’s really more of a respectable 5 1/2.

CryptoBard

She's a mossad POS spy, she qualifies.

FairbairnSykes77

You didn’t read what I wrote. Even if that’s true, and even if they charged her with espionage (they didn’t) that is not sufficient to evoke a military tribunal. As an American citizen she is protected from that by the constitution. It is ILLEGAL to use the military justice system to try an American citizen. There is legal precedent for that fact stood up by 16 Supreme Court verdicts going back to the civil war. You don’t have to like it....but these are our laws and they are undisputed.

CryptoBard

I did read what you put down, nowhere does it explicitly state that an enemy spy gets anything less than the rope.

She's the enemy. A spy is a combatant.

FairbairnSykes77

You clearly didn’t go to law school. Please show us where in her indictment she is charged with espionage or as an unregistered foreign intelligence agent.

As far as calling me a lurker...my friend I think the shill dost protest too much, methinks.

CryptoBard

What, some sophmore at a zionist law school thinks that bullshit applies at Military Tribunals, oooh raaah, I cannot wait for that new high speed fiber from gitmo to go into use.

FairbairnSykes77

Move along shill. This “Zionist law school sophomore” is done destroying your ignorance.

Mil_Spec

@Vindicator

Do you often have sleeper accounts with zero comment history suddenly activate?

think-

He may be a sleeper account, what he says is correct, though.

And he isn't trying to cash in.

I cannot say for sure she is at GTMO; but what a coincidence we see flight activity, just like Epstein, where an out of sequence aircraft comes down the East Coast from the same general direction and makes its way to GTMO around the exact time of her arrest?

Monkey out.

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Mil_Spec

Yes. I carve (and sell) hand-made wooden products through my site.

I also distribute my research freely.

Peace be with you.

Vindicator

As a matter of fact, we do! Whenever big pizzagate news breaks.

That said, some folks are just lurkers. I have not read a really good breakdown of the whole Military Tribunal legality thing. Law is one of those things that clever people seem to be able to twist into whatever weapon they want it to be.

When I first heard Q mention this back in November 2017, I thought "No f'g way Trump would EVER do this and play into the Demonrats' "literally Hitler" narrative." But as more and more of the corruption and abuse of the Constitution has occurred, especially this year...I'm just keeping my eyes peeled for the next plot twist and trying to get our research other there.

CryptoBard

You're a coward, give me something better, you stopped trying.

FairbairnSykes77

Shit my bad, I forgot this was VOAT, what I meant to say was as soon as I’m done fist fucking your obease mother with my 10 inch law firm senior partner cock I’ll be sure to blow another frosty load of well articulated justice deep into your faggot retard esophagus.....

Better? I’m still getting the hang of this place.

CryptoBard

Oh yeah, we've hit the depravity level, you've ran out of time and meaningful argument and you won't get any publicity down here.... welcome to Voat you kike.

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FairbairnSykes77

Um what? Did you see the scoreboard? I’ve submitted irrefutable judicial precedent supporting my position. I posted this elsewhere but I’ll share it here for you since apparently you are having trouble following along.

This issue is actually not “up for debate” and there are not “two sides to it” purely legally speaking.

First, here is what the constitution says about your rights an American citizen:

The civilian justice system is outlined in the Fifth Amendment which states:

“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

Additionally, there are further protections in the 14th Amendment which states:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

More directly, the Procedural due process clause of the 14th states that When the government seeks to burden a person's protected liberty interest or property interest, the Supreme Court has held that procedural due process requires that, at a minimum, the government provide the person notice, an opportunity to be heard at an oral hearing, and a decision by a neutral decision maker.

In summary, a citizen, not involved in the military, not in a time or zone of war is only and specifically and exclusively subject and entitled to the protections and provisions of the civilian and federal justice system. This is not limited by the severity, or nature of the offence including murder, conspiracy or espionage.

Lets look at 3 such cases which make it clear that a citizen cannot be subject to military jurisdiction:

O'Callahan v. Parker

The June, 1969 landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court in O'Callahan v. Parker" has, held unconstitutional any prosecution by court-martial under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for any peacetime offense cognizable by an American civilian court, having no military significance, committed off post while neither the accused nor the victims were performing any military function, which crime neither involves the security of military posts or of military property or flounts military authority.

Ex parte Milligan

December 17, 1866 supreme court decision that a civilian, not in military service and resident of a state in which civilian courts are still functioning has a right when charged with a crime to be tried and punished in district or federal court with full constitutional protections. In addition, neither the President nor Congress has the authority to suspend the right of habeas corpus.

Hedges v. Obama

According to the text of Section 1021 of the NDAA provided that the U.S. President may authorize the armed forces to indefinitely detain the following persons set forth in § 1021(b)(2) of the NDAA:

A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

Section 1021(e) of the NDAA, provided:

Authorities.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.[25]

These provisions have been upheld, and the delineation is clear; an American citizen may not be subjected to these provisions of indefinite military confinement. Furthermore, any American citizen may not for any reason be subject to military tribunal including a civilian who commits a crime on a military base, or a civilian caught or participating in an act of espionage or sabotage.

All of these cases would be tried in a US Federal Court, where Maxwell now finds herself. She is being held in a NY jail and she is represented by attorney Lawrence Vogelma

CryptoBard

You forgot that were in an state of emergency, we're in the first information world war....so yeah, habeas corpus is suspended for these traitors..... you're whole 3 page defense of a child trafficker says it all.

FairbairnSykes77

Go further into Article 1. This is a power of Congress, and has been overturned on the 2 cases where it was invoked: Overturned in Ex Parte Merryman, Hamdi vs Rumsfeld, Codified by Obama in 2009.

FairbairnSykes77

Funny I don’t remember Congress voting on that particular war, nor the suspension of constitution. I feel like that information would have crossed my desk. Any other laws that I missed? Gravity? The 3rd law of thermodynamics perhaps?

No, she will be charged in federal court, will probably plead and will do 10 years in a federal prison. But neither she, nor any other American citizen will ever set foot in a military courtroom. Don’t take my word for it, just don’t be surprised when it happens, because it’s the law of the land we live in.

CryptoBard

All you need to do is pay attention, choose to know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law 📁

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act 📁

"..or in response to chaos associated with protests and mob action,"

Article 1, Section 9 of the US Constitution states, "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

Q

FairbairnSykes77

Go further into Article 1. This is a power of Congress, and has been overturned on the 2 cases where it was invoked: Overturned in Ex Parte Merryman, Hamdi vs Rumsfeld, Codified by Obama in 2009.

Vindicator

Is that true if she is a spy for a foreign government?

And what about Trump's changes to the UCMJ and Executive Orders mentioned here and here ?

Legal stuff makes my head spin.

FairbairnSykes77

“Enemy combatant” is a separate legal definition from being charged with espionage or an unregistered foreign agent. If you look at the history of intelligence breaches where Americans like Hanssen are apprehended they are tried in civilian courts and sentenced to civilian prisons. Only if they are arrested while in active duty can they be tried under the UCMJ. Unfortunately Trump does not have the authority to unilaterally change this via executive order, it would require the house and senate plus a constitutional amendment to not violate a citizens rights.

In addition, you can read the charges against Maxwell, she is not being charged with espionage.

If you are interested , you can research the Combatant Status Review Tribunal (CSRT) process from Gitmo and how it was found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court (Boumediene v. Bush)

Mil_Spec

Only if they are arrested while in active duty can they be tried under the UCMJ.

Bingo. What US Agency employed Ghislaine? What Administration? Which 5 eyes?

Double agents get the rope.

In addition, you can read the charges against Maxwell, she is not being charged with espionage.

Charges can be added by the Prosecution.

FairbairnSykes77

She is not currently active duty American military. Therefore...she’s a civilian....therefore civilian justice system. Come on guys this like BASIC shit.

Yes future charges could hypothetically be brought, but as I said, even if they were, it’s not enough to be declared an “enemy combatant” which is the only other legal criteria for a tribunal.

Mil_Spec

S.E.S.

Vindicator

This is a good thread. I like seeing both sides of this topic. I wish there was a really detailed, ELI5, fully-sourced run down on both sides of the argument.

For years, we had a guy ( @AreWeSure , @Are_We_Sure and several other iterations) concern trolling every Podesta, Hillary and Alefantis post. He was always "debunking" stuff. When pizzagate researchers protested outside Comet Ping Pong, one of Podesta's co-workers at Georgetown, a lawyer, showed up and tried to debunk the brochure showing the pizzagate Wikileaks emails and Alefantis Instagram posts. He was always very condescending and dismissive. I never could shake the feeling it was the same guy. :-)

FairbairnSykes77

This issue is actually not “up for debate” and there are not “two sides to it” purely legally speaking.

First, here is what the constitution says about your rights an American citizen:

The civilian justice system is outlined in the Fifth Amendment which states:

“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

Additionally, there are further protections in the 14th Amendment which states:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

More directly, the Procedural due process clause of the 14th states that When the government seeks to burden a person's protected liberty interest or property interest, the Supreme Court has held that procedural due process requires that, at a minimum, the government provide the person notice, an opportunity to be heard at an oral hearing, and a decision by a neutral decision maker.

In summary, a citizen, not involved in the military, not in a time or zone of war is only and specifically and exclusively subject and entitled to the protections and provisions of the civilian and federal justice system. This is not limited by the severity, or nature of the offence including murder, conspiracy or espionage.

Lets look at 3 such cases which make it clear that a citizen cannot be subject to military jurisdiction:

O'Callahan v. Parker

The June, 1969 landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court in O'Callahan v. Parker" has, held unconstitutional any prosecution by court-martial under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for any peacetime offense cognizable by an American civilian court, having no military significance, committed off post while neither the accused nor the victims were performing any military function, which crime neither involves the security of military posts or of military property or flounts military authority.

Ex parte Milligan

December 17, 1866 supreme court decision that a civilian, not in military service and resident of a state in which civilian courts are still functioning has a right when charged with a crime to be tried and punished in district or federal court with full constitutional protections. In addition, neither the President nor Congress has the authority to suspend the right of habeas corpus.

Hedges v. Obama

According to the text of Section 1021 of the NDAA provided that the U.S. President may authorize the armed forces to indefinitely detain the following persons set forth in § 1021(b)(2) of the NDAA:

A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

Section 1021(e) of the NDAA, provided:

Authorities.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.[25]

These provisions have been upheld, and the delineation is clear; an American citizen may not be subjected to these provisions of indefinite military confinement. Furthermore, any American citizen may not for any reason be subject to military tribunal including a civilian who commits a crime on a military base, or a civilian caught or participating in an act of espionage or sabotage.

All of these cases would be tried in a US Federal Court, where Maxwell now finds herself. She is being held in a NY jail and she is represented by attorney Lawrence Vogelma

Mil_Spec

except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger.

You keep ignoring the likelihood ghislaine was a 5 eyes asset, not a mere civilian.

FairbairnSykes77

That clause is limited to active duty marine, army, navy, coast guard. DoD only. Civilian intelligence is the same as a civilian federal employee for the purposes of this definition. It’s the reason the espionage act of 1918 was never ratified, it violates this condition.

I’m not ignoring it, being an intelligence agent, or more likely an asset for a domestic or even foreign service does not qualify for the military callout in the 5th amendment. Think about all the spies we have caught, they were all tried in civilian federal court. Now please don’t misunderstand, my point for all of this is not saying she won’t go to court, and serve prison time, my point is only to help clear up a common legal misconception that civilians can under some circumstances be prosecuted by military tribunal. The only way is to meet the definition of “enemy combatant“ either “lawful” or “unlawful”.

Being a spy, or an intelligence asset does not meet this criteria.

Hurley1855

K street lawfag lurker here. What you have posted is correct. In addition Ghislaine Maxwell is currently in Brooklyn at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Sunset Park, where she will stay until arraignment.

Heebro

"Terminated" in the legal sense means she has cut a deal, of some sort and a case or a charge is terminated.

It may be possible that she is considered terminated from the case of there was a change of venue and a new case number is initiated in the new jurisdiction.

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Vindicator

Change of venue a la military tribunal?

Heebro

That would be one possibility among many, many others. It is curious, since we are still expecting a trial with a Friday morning appearance. That is why I assume change of venue, first. Otherwise, the most likely explanation is she already cut a deal. If you are very early, and you know the number, you can call in to the court call number and mute your phone to listen. The line only holds so many people, though.

FingerMcGee

Barr can't pull another New York City execution like he did to Epstein. Maxwell is going to have to be offed in a more creative way before she blabs all the pizzagate secrets.

bluedeath

This is what you would do to smokescreen the movements from an organization like .....Mossad.

Vindicator

Or to throw an organization like Mossad off the trail.

Steve Bing "jumped" from his condo balcony just a few days before Maxwell was "found".

bluedeath

That's what I was getting at with the smokescreen. I believe Epstein was at least Sayanim level Mossad running their honeypot and of course they want to tie off the loose ends.

Vindicator

The Spa has to be better secured than the jail in New York was. That place was a shitshow.

Mil_Spec

WWG1WGA

Thanks for bringing me to Voat @Vindicator .

RakerKey

Nice info , sir - thanks !

Vindicator

Hey Monkey! Great to see you here!

We've got tons of great research, which you can access using a separate site created by a Voat user (aka "goat"): https://SearchVoat.co . Search has been removed from the site because it was a constant vector for " state level " DDoS attacks. Voat admin does not censor content, so we've got a lot of stuff that gets scrubbed elsewhere. We've also got a lot of shills, and a sizeable group of Q skeptics. Here in v/pizzagate , while there are many Q researchers, there are also some folks who believe the Fusion GPS "Trump is Cabal" narrative. Our largest homegrown Q subverse, v/GreatAwakening , went to approved submitter only status due to shitposting from Q haters, so we'll need to ask @Moloch_Hunter to add you to the list if you want to post your research there.

Keep up your great work!

MolochHunter

welcome, Planefag

account tweaked to enable posting in v/GA

cheers

Modfag

barebrain

@MolochHunter can you add me too pls I have asked before.. Thanks and welcome @Mil_Spec Thanks for your great posts much love from the uk .

MolochHunter

added

let me know if it doesnt work

barebrain

Thanks very much..

Mil_Spec

Cheers Modfag.

is v/GA a different sub?

MolochHunter

nar, its shorthand for v/GreatAwakening

Mil_Spec

Goats are great! We got beaucoup impressions from your post. Working on a follow-up.

@Moloch_Hunter - please add me to your list

Vindicator

Really? That's great!

I f'd that up. It's @MolochHunter , LOL.

Mil_Spec

Desert Storm

Vindicator

My dad was a warrant officer flying Huey's in Vietnam. I've only heard Nam vets use "beaucoup", LOL. Thanks for your past -- and continuing -- service. :-)

ZCitium

The lazy loading on your site is really annoying.

bluedeath

You need to clear your cache.

ZCitium

of firearms?

Otto-

Mil_Spec, it is a priviledge to have your presence and recognition. Is this: https://twitter.com/mil_ops your twitter handle?

All I can say is thank you very much for the consistent work & effort, part of it has been known to many thousands of Anons around the world in the last few years. I didn't even know you had a blog, so that's a treat for me.

Mil_Spec

Yes, that is correct. I don't monitor DM's, but can be messaged @ [email protected]

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IIJOSEPHXII

Didn't click lol. Miss me with this psyop.